22 for self defense?

My 2 cents:
Handguns in general are not noted for great efficiency as a man or animal stoppers.
.22s are even less so.
To stop anyone or anything from doing you harm might very well require many fast rounds to be delivered.
You might want to practice doing just that a lot.
There's two drills often mentioned for this:
The Bill drill - six rounds as fast and accurate as possible.
The Mozambique or Failure to stop drill:
Two to the chest and one to the head, quickly repeated.
Fortunately the .22 is an inherently accurate round which kind of makes up for it's lack of power.
If that's all you have, you can make up for it with skill.
But that's true for any caliber.
 
Frank Ettin, I agree with most of your points.

There are, however, a few other means of physiologically incapacitating an attacker that do not require hypovolemic shock from blood loss, major skeletal damage, or permanent CNS injury.

One I mentioned. A head shot that does not penetrate the cranial cavity and causes no significant intracranial injury but renders the attacker unconscious.

A penetrating or perforating chest wound may not result in sufficient blood loss to cause hypotension, but may create a tension pneumothorax as a result of perforated lung tissue and/or a sucking chest wound. A tension pneumothorax can cause central circulatory collapse in the absence of significant blood loss as a result of compromise of blood return to the heart. A tension pneumothorax would not likely be immediately incapacitating, however.

Penetrating trauma to the heart does not always result in massive blood loss, surprisingly. The interlaced muscle fibers of the myocardium will sometimes seal smaller perforating injuries before enormous blood loss occurs. Bleeding into the pericardial sac can, however, result in pericardial tamponade, basically shutting off blood return to the heart through external pressure. Peicardial tamponade can develop quite quickly.

Penetrating trauma that severs a major peripheral nerve or nerve trunk going to the dominant upper extremity may functionally incapacitate an armed attacker in the absence of great blood loss or skeletal damage.

While I agree that insofar as handgun projectiles are concerned, secondary wound cavity does not result in any significant injury, penetrating or perforating cranial injuries are different. The soft tissues of the body are generally elastic and rebound from cavitation without sustaining significant injury but brain tissue is inelastic and is significantly damaged by the cavitation/secondary wound channel effect. There are other mechanisms of injury that come into play. Projectiles that penetrate the skull are often subjected to early fragmentation and yaw. They frequently produce secondary missiles in the form of bone fragments detached from the interior of the skull at the point of penetration or exit. And penetrating gunshot wounds of the brain that do not completely perforate may result in a projectile ricochet off the opposite side of the skull.

If anyone doubts the ability of a .22 caliber handgun to kill, study the case of Trooper Mark Coates. Trooper Coates shot his assailant 5 times center mass at a range of around 2 yards with a .357 Magnum revolver but was killed by a .22 caliber projectile that penetrated his heart. His attacker survived. There is a video that shows the shooting and gives an accurate indication of how long it takes for someone with a .22 caliber penetrating heart wound to go down. This video graphically shows a real fatal shooting, so don't watch it if that sort of thing offends or otherwise bothers you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FraE77l4fI
 
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If one goes back to the OP's original post, it is a hypothetical proposition.

The OP is not looking for caliber or firearm alternatives.

Let's say all I have is a Browning Buckmark .22 handgun for self defense. What bullet would be best?

My answer: CCI Mini-Mag 40 grain lead. Best velocity and penetration.

I also have a .22 semi-auto (although "just" a 1911) w/15-round mag and it is loaded as such. It is on my bedstand as a backup to my 1911 .45 because I believe that the fastest reload is a second gun.

If you cannot get it done with 15 .22 LR rounds, and that is all you have, then SHTF.

Nuff said on my part.

Jim
 
I am going to 2nd the CCI 40gr Mini Mag. However caveat it with the OP running several dozen magazines through the weapon to check for reliability. The CCI's are normally very reliable but a RF weapon needs more diligence and verification than a CFP round.
 
A .22 auto rifle with magazines full of 40 gr solids, proven dependable, would a fair defense weapon make.

But a .22 pistol? Not as good, but lethal.
 
Anyone recall Reagan's assaignation//

He was almost killed, a Secret Service agent got hit in the shoulder and SPUN him around, and both Brady and Washington PD officer got hit in the head and had to retired.

Any .22 firearm is better than any handgun / shotgun for a SD situation, why, because of low recoil and the minimum disturbance to aiming.
 
What Jerrys said - 22LR get a revolver! I have 3 22LR revolvers and never had a failure! I can't say that for my semi's, FTE, FTF's seem to occasionally happen on any 22 semi I have. I sold my Walther TPH awhile back and wanted that pistol to work so bad but it was a jam master all ammo, oh well. I'm happy with my S&W617, 317 and Ruger SP101.
 
Any .22 firearm is better than any handgun / shotgun for a SD situation, why, because of low recoil and the minimum disturbance to aiming.

With all due respect, that is nonsense. I can shoot a 9mm as fast and accurately as I can a .22. I accept that a handgun is not a great choice, but I will take something center fired every time.
 
a Secret Service agent got hit in the shoulder and SPUN him around

because of low recoil and the minimum disturbance to aiming.

I'd like you to think about these two statements and then remember Newton's third law. If 22Lr out of a pistol was as strong as you suggest in the first statement, the second statement could not be true.
 
For purposes of self defense and being able to survive a potentially deadly attack, remember:
The gun (and caliber) is the least of it.
You are the weapon, the gun is merely the tool.
 
Tunnel - as a moderator, you get frustrated with folks posting cliches at times. We are far more gentle than some other moderated sites.

But one should be gentle with beginners. However, if someone claims to the voice of experience and posts silliness, then they should be chastized.
 
22lr might not be the best choice, but with good bullet selection, it isn't useless. Ammo reliabilty (function in gun, and reliable ignition) and penetration are the most important things for a 22lr. I recommend CCI as being the best for reliable ignition, as I have yet to have one need mutiple hits or be a dud.

If you can find them...

CCI Velocitors. Out of a handgun, they partially expand, and get around 15in of penetrations.


If those are not available...

CCI Round Nose MiniMags. Penetration will be similar to the velocitors.


CCI stingers shoot no faster (or not much more) than Velocitors out of a handgun, and have a lot less mass behind them, which hurts consistent penetration.


There are other good 22lr loads from Winchester, I find them reliable as well.
 
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Back to the initial question:
Hi all I have a question. Let's say all I have is a Browning Buckmark 22 handgun for self defense. What bullet would be best? The round nose, truncated hollow points or something different? We all know shot placement is what kills and a shot to the heart or forehead will kill as dead as a 44 magnum. I'm really curious about this and would like your opinions.

My suggestion would be the .22 Long Rifle 40 grain lead round nose. That being what I originally posted. Since all there is to be had is a Browning Buckmark I see the 40 grain LRN bullet being as good as it gets. Subjects like shot placement and internal body organs can be argued indefinitely so there is no point in beating those arguments to death. There are no shortages of people shot and killed by the .22 LR cartridge and that includes being shot in a number of body locations. Earlier I used the Chardon, Ohio school shooting as an example of damage done using a Ruger MK II 22 LR pistol with a single ten round magazine. Only using that example as it was local to me. The Browning Buckmark and Ruger MK II share several similarities.

The Chardon High School shooting occurred on February 27, 2012, at Chardon High School in Chardon, Ohio, United States. Three male students died within two days following the incident. Two other students were hospitalized, one of whom sustained several serious injuries requiring extensive rehabilitation, and the other suffered a minor injury. The seriously injured victim has since been declared permanently paralyzed. A sixth student sustained a superficial wound.

The deranged shooter managed to kill three, all with a simple little .22 LR pistol he removed from his grandfather's barn. He had a single loaded 10 shot magazine and my understanding is the magazine was not emptied.

Regarding the use of a revolver shooting 22 Magnum loads? If a 22 LR is capable of killing a human being my guess would certainly be that a 22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR) is capable of the same. As to a snub nose revolver or short barrel revolver? The only thing I see is the shooter may need to be a little more proficient with the gun. The 22 WMR using the same 40 grain round nosed lead bullet used in the 22 LR will kill just as easily and likely more so. Obviously the 22 WMR is a more powerful round than the 22 LR and the fact it is fired from a short barrel revolver likely means nothing as long as the shooter is proficient with his or her revolver.

All of this going back to the gun you have is all you have. There are countless better choices but sometimes I guess it is a matter of running with what you have.

Ron
 
Seven High said:
How would the 22 magnum round from a snub nose revolver work for self defense?
Poor unless it's Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, or Winchester PDX1 JHP. Those three are good as they will expand and likely be more accurate as the ammunition is designed for short barrels.

If using plain .22 Magnum like CCI Maxi-Mags or Hornady V-Max, it's no more powerful than .22 LR, but the recoil and muzzle blast is more.
 
jiminy Christmas. if you are fighting for your life and actually have the luxury of using your sights on the melon of your attacker, the eyes and ears are the quickest aim points to get to the medulla oblongata.

can we move on now? ;)
 
"If using plain .22 Magnum like CCI Maxi-Mags or Hornady V-Max, it's no more powerful than .22 LR, but the recoil and muzzle blast is more."

how do ya get more recoil and muzzle blast...if a 22 magnum is no more powerful than a 22LR...??
 
ROA:

I think he means most of the .22 WMR's potential is wasted in such short barrels, which it is. That cartridge needs a rifle length barrel to really perform.
 
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