20 yrs old and frustrated

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LT. what is your problem? You're still sitting up there in Washington and trying to to tell people in other states what they can and cannot do in their own state. Of course your wife could purchase a gun in Oklahoma while you were in the MILITARY and STATIONED in Oklahoma which gives her the same privileges. For Christs sakes that's already been talked about.

You don't even understand what you post as a reference in your attempt to prove a point. What the GCA advises states they can do and what the states actually do are two totally different things. Did you pay attention to this part of your reference "However, even though the GCA was amended in 1986 to allow the sale of long guns to residents of any State pursuant to the conditions cited above, many States have not yet amended their laws to reflect similar language." Gee golly........you mean some states have no intention of amending their laws just because a federal agency says they can.....not that they must, but they can. Why that smacks of a Republic huh........oh wait, we are a Republic. Take a look at how California operates. http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs.php#14G Apparently they don't even have a bordering state policy.

I guarantee you if you do not live in a border state to Oklahoma, Oklahoma will not sell you a gun. Same goes for the state of Colorado. Oklahoma even posts a placard at all dealers that shows Oklahoma in blue, bordering states in green and the rest of the states in red. Below the picture is the words that only non-residents in those states in green may purchase a firearm at this facility. If your state is red you can not buy one. In Colorado the sales clerk at Gander Mountain wasn't sure if Oklahoma was a bordering state and had to look it up before they would sell me one.

Tell you what sport............ come on down to Oklahoma with your wallet and sea lawyer advice and if your state of residency is not a border state to Oklahoma and you do not have papers to show orders to Oklahoma, I'll match anything you got in your wallet that you won't buy a gun here from a dealer. I can always use a few extra guns.

BTW, The ATF is not a law in and of itself. They are guided by the laws from congress and as such may advise and take positions but can only enforce those laws put forth by congress. The age limit on buying a handgun is not a ATF law but a Federal law. As such I'm not aware of any laws passed in congress other than what is presently in effect concerning age and types of firearms a FFL dealer may sell or import or export. The military clause is a special section incorporated into the law as passed by congress. The state regulates all matters outside those rules at their own desecration.
 
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OMG! A military spouse is a resident of a state because of their military member spouses ID card and orders? Wow!

Nevermind... there is no point in trying to show you what the law/BATFE says, you just believe what you want, and I will post actual laws and interpretations, not mine, but BATFE's and actual statutes.

Oh, BTW, those exact same two FFL's, Academy Sports and Brigadoon's Military Surplus would NOT sell handguns to my wife, because she was not an Oklahoma resident, but a Wyoming resident.
 
OMG! A military spouse is a resident of a state because of their military member spouses ID card and orders? Wow!

No...........I didn't say she was a resident. I said she received the same treatment as the military member because she was the spouse. Did she have to get a Oklahoma drivers license? Did she have to re-tag her car with a Oklahoma tag.........Of course she didn't.........she was treated in a different status than a non-resident moving into the state because of your orders. You're blowing smoke LT. and simply getting deeper and deeper. BTW, since when did WY become a contiguous state to Oklahoma...You better go back and read what you cited which was nothing more than repeating what I already said except in legal terms. It has been fun though. I sure thought upon retirement I had seen the last of the infamous sea lawyers the Navy seems to produce. Don't know what they call them in other branches of the service. You take care LT. and do try to stay out of the rain up there.
 
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I said she received the same treatment as the military member because she was the spouse. Did she have to get a Oklahoma drivers license? Did she have to re-tag her car with a Oklahoma tag.........Of course she didn't.........she was treated in a different status than a non-resident moving into the state because of your orders.

???!!!??? Yet I am the one blowing smoke and digging myself in deeper.... yeah, OK, now I know that I have just got to be being played with here. I should not have fell for it for this long.

The sun did shine here, today. Haven't seen that in a while.
 
Seems like it's about time to lock this baby down...

I'll say it one more time... you can by the view of the ATF be a resident of more than one state... for purchasing firearms. it has nothing to do with where you get your DL, where you are stationed in the military (even though that is a good proof) or where you vote... it has to do with where you are living at the time, where you have a residence be it perminant or temp...

So I say if a 20 year old can purchase a handgun in Arizona and the person asking the question is living in Arizona (other than just visiting for a day or a week or two).. and is not forbidden from owning a firearm either by state or federal law then that person can buy a handgun from another Arizona resident.
 
Nevermind... there is no point in trying to show you what the law/BATFE says, you just believe what you want, and I will post actual laws and interpretations, not mine, but BATFE's and actual statutes.
What seems to be missed is that the BATFE allows an action, it does not require it, in many cases. And in the case of Oklahoma unless you are a resident of the 6 states or exempt under some other rule, you cannot buy a longgun. I think I know the rules fairly well, as a friend runs one of the largest dealerships in Oklahoma and last year when I was up there I tried to by from his store and was told no. Went and talked with him, and he confirmed it. Feds don't care, but the state sure does, as he put it.
Toss into the mix that some states prohibit claiming citizenship in more than one state, and we are back to 'don't consider legal advice from the internet worth much...go talk to somebody that know YOUR laws in the state in question.
 
where you are stationed in the military (even though that is a good proof)

Actually, blume357, according to the BATFE August 2004 FFL newsletter, a military member can buy firearms in a state they have orders to, without having a residence in that state:
If a member of the Armed
Forces maintains a home in one State and the
member’s permanent duty station is in a nearby
State to which he or she commutes each day, then
the member is considered a resident of both the
State in which his or her duty station is located and
the State in which his or her home is maintained,
and he or she may purchase a firearm in either
State.

I posted the entire military residency section of the August 2004 FFL newsletter earlier.
 
And in the case of Oklahoma unless you are a resident of the 6 states or exempt under some other rule, you cannot buy a longgun. I think I know the rules fairly well, as a friend runs one of the largest dealerships in Oklahoma and last year when I was up there I tried to by from his store and was told no. Went and talked with him, and he confirmed it.

David Armstrong,

That is an FFL preference, not a PROHIBITION in Oklahoma law. If you read the Oklahoma law I posted earlier, the word PROHIBITED does not appear in their laws. I know the Oklahoma law well too because I was a resident of Oklahoma; and know that FFL's will sell long arms to Wyoming residents (Wyoming not being one of the contiguous states), because my wife, with a Wyoming driver's license, and listing Wyoming as state of residence on 4473 purchased two long guns from two different FFL's in Oklahoma City. I would appreciate seeing a citation of an Oklahoma law that specifically PROHIBITS a non-contiguous out of state purchaser of long arms in Oklahoma.

NOW, yes, in times past, before the Federal law changed, it was prohibited in Oklahoma, however that law has changed, but some FFL's won't change their practices when the laws become less stringent.
 
That is an FFL preference, not a PROHIBITION in Oklahoma law.
Again, "What seems to be missed is that the BATFE allows an action, it does not require it, in many cases."
If you read the Oklahoma law I posted earlier, the word PROHIBITED does not appear in their laws.
I don't think the word PROHIBITED shows up in the murder laws either. Still doesn't make it OK.
I know the Oklahoma law well....
Apparently not as well as you think.
 
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I know the Oklahoma law well....

Apparently not as well as you think.

Then educate me and post an Oklahoma law that actually prohibits the purchase - one that uses any kind of negative language at all such as prohibited, unlawful, illegal, shall not, punishable by, under penatly of....
 
Then educate me and post an Oklahoma law that actually prohibits the purchase - one that uses any kind of negative language at all such as prohibited, unlawful, illegal, shall not, punishable by, under penatly of....

Why should those words be use if the simple act of identifying who may purchase is all that is needed. http://www.oscn.net/applications/OCISWeb/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69756

Oklahoma Statutes Citationized
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
Chapter 53 - Manufacture, Sale, and Wearing of Weapons
Section 1288 - Purchases of Firearms, Ammunition and Equipment in Contiguous States by Oklahoma Residents-Purchases in Oklahoma by Residents of Contiguous States

(a) Residents of the State of Oklahoma may purchase rifles, shotguns, ammunition, cartridge and shotgun shell handloading components and equipment in a state contiguous to the State of Oklahoma, provided that such residents conform to the applicable provisions of the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, and regulations thereunder, as administered by the United States Secretary of the Treasury and provided further that such residents conform to the provisions of law applicable to such purchase in the State of Oklahoma and in the contiguous state in which the purchase is made.

(b) Residents of a state contiguous to the State of Oklahoma may purchase rifles, shotguns, ammunition, cartridge and shotgun shell handloading components and equipment in the State of Oklahoma provided that such residents conform to the applicable provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968, and regulations thereunder, as administered by the United States Secretary of the Treasury and provided further that such residents conform to the provisions of law applicable to such purchase in the State of Oklahoma and in the state in which such persons reside.


Odd that on May 23rd, 2008, 11:30 AM, on another forum ( http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4524848 ) site you replied to the following when a resident from Wyoming was upset because Ohio would not sell them a gun.

Toten Kopf wrote: As a Wyoming resident, I tried to purchase a rifle in Ohio, and was told "NO". Only if I lived in an adjoining state.

NavyLT responded: That is because of Ohio state law.

zoom6zoom wrote: I don't believe the adjoining state part either, as i purchased a rifle on my trip through Ohio last month with a Virginia ID.

NavyLT responded: This would appear to be in violation of Ohio state laws.

NavyLT then used the following quote: 2923.22 Interstate transactions in firearms.
(A) Any resident of Ohio age eighteen or over, and not prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the Revised Code or any applicable law of another state or the United States from acquiring or using firearms, may purchase or obtain a rifle, shotgun, or ammunition therefor in Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, or West Virginia.

(B) Any resident of Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, or West Virginia, age eighteen or over, and not prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the Revised Code or the laws of his domicile or the United States from acquiring or using firearms, may purchase or obtain a rifle, shotgun, or ammunition therefor in Ohio.

(C) Any purchase and sale pursuant to this section shall be for such purposes and under such circumstances and upon such conditions as are prescribed by the “Gun Control Act of 1968,” 82 Stat. 1213, 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(3), and any amendments or additions thereto or reenactments thereof.

Where Ohio identifies the states bordering their state, Oklahoma simply uses the term "Residents of Contiguous States". BTW, I just got the Oklahoma link from a FFL dealer here in town who confirmed by state law he absolutely would not be allowed to sell a long gun to anyone with Wyoming resident identification. David Armstrong is also correct. End of story. Call the dealer and ask him yourself at 918-473-1194.

#18indycolts, I don't know why you would want to close a thread that is still for the most part on topic, civil and informative. Isn't that the way we learn things in forums?
 
I remember the feeling and sympathize with you. The year will go by faster than you think. I remember going in to buy my first pistol the morning of my 21st birthday. A new Colt 1991A1 for $399.00. I couldn't even walk out with it because of the 5 day wait. What I would do now is purchase ammo and mags (depending on what handgun you were thinking about) and stash them. Ammo just goes up in price no matter what.
 
GOHON, You are correct about my postings from 8 months ago on another firearm forum. Because, 8 months ago, I used to maintain the ERRONEOUS interpretation of the states' laws that you maintain. However, sometime later, someone smarter and more informed than myself corrected me by posting information from the BATFE 2004 August FFL Newsletter.

I was smart enough to realize that I was wrong, and if you thoroughly research my username on the various forums that I frequent, you would find a post by myself saying, OH, Wow, Look at that... the BATFE says in plain black and white English that I am wrong! Thank you for posting the correct information and setting the record straight! Here:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323350&highlight=FFL+Newsletter

So, as I said before, the Oklahoma laws were written when it was required by Federal laws for the states to give specific permission for their residents to buy long guns in contiguous states and for residents of contiguous states to buy long guns. However, that Federal law requiring that specific permission has been repealled, it is now legal, by Federal law for individuals to purchase long guns from FFL's in any state, provided that there is not state law that SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS the action. So, according to BATFE, not according to me, it is allowed in Oklahoma. You can argue what you want, and you can post what your FFL will or will not do. All I know is what I posted earlier -

According to BATFE, as published in the 2004 August FFL Newsletter, it is legal for a non-contiguous state resident to purchase long guns in Oklahoma from an FFL because of lack of laws specifically PROHIBITING the action and I have personally witnessed the purchase of two long guns by a Wyoming resident, with a Wyoming driver's license, not a military member with no military orders, writing "WYOMING" in the state of residence block of the 4473 from two different Oklahoma City FFL's. <-- That is my final statement on this issue.
 
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LT., this is getting ridiculous and now I can maybe see why some are getting upset with this thread. A news letter is not a law. I don't understand why you are so hung up on something that has no authority. It is nothing more than an explanation what BATFE will allow a state to do. Not order a state, but allow them to do if they so choose. The statues of Oklahoma, Colorado, and Ohio have been posted here for you to read and it doesn't mater when they were written, they are still the law today, and yet you still reject them from nothing more than hard headed stubbornness. A lot of states just like the three mentioned have their own laws and BATFE has no authority or law at the present time to force them to change. If you actually do know someone from Wyoming who purchased a gun in Oklahoma then just like you told the fellow about Ohio, it was a illegal purchase. The gun shop dealer I talked to today, someone who is in the business of making sure they are on the right side of the law, knows more about the laws for a FFL dealer in this state than you do so I think I'll take his word for the matter.

I stumbled on your post by accident and did not look for it, did not expect to see it as I'm sure you didn't expect me to see it either. The cat is out of the bag so to speak so I'm leaving it there.
 
1. It's BATFE's written interpretation versus the FFL's verbal interpretation. I'll take BATFE and their published interpretations you can have the FFL's verbal interpretation and we'll both buy our guns from those persons and FFL's whom we believe are legal to purchase from and those who believe they are legal to sell to us.

2. I am not stubborn nor hardheaded, I readily admitted and posted that I was wrong on this matter. I was also wrong at one time about military personnel being able to purchase guns in their home of record state just because they had a driver's license and it was home of record. I was corrected on that matter in these forums and said, OH, Hey, look at that in writing from the BATFE and there in the law, wow, I was wrong! There is no shame in admitting that one is wrong and presenting the correct information when it is in fact published by an authoritative source.

I relinquish this particular portion of the floor to the gentleman from Oklahoma finally and permanently.
 
How far can we each spit?

Sure has turned into a spitting match for sure....

the guy can legally buy a handgun in AZ by doing a personal face to face purchase because that's where he resides ... best way for a 20 year old in the military to do this is to meet some old vets who like to shoot and buy one from them once everybody is comfortable....
 
*sigh*

This ain't my area, but this one's done. I expect the Handgun forum mods will be along shortly to Do Something about all the crap you all put on the floor.

If I sound disgusted, it's because I am.

pax
 
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