1911's Suck!
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Jim summed it up perfectly, IMHO.
Some 1911s DO suck, but it's because of where they're made and who built them, not because they are a 1911. I learned long ago to stay with the tried and true, and not go with the cheap clone makers.
Foxy, you're right in that the 1911 was just a small, relatively insignificant element of the US war machine. However, look at all the guys who lived to see another day because they had one and the emotional attachment they've given to it. If the 1911 truly was an inaccurate, unreliable clunker its reputation would be more like that of the M1 Carbine!
Some 1911s DO suck, but it's because of where they're made and who built them, not because they are a 1911. I learned long ago to stay with the tried and true, and not go with the cheap clone makers.
Foxy, you're right in that the 1911 was just a small, relatively insignificant element of the US war machine. However, look at all the guys who lived to see another day because they had one and the emotional attachment they've given to it. If the 1911 truly was an inaccurate, unreliable clunker its reputation would be more like that of the M1 Carbine!
Actually, I'd like to hear some personal stories that give the above referenced "folks" high regards for the Carbine. My opinion has been tainted by individuals I've known who used them in Korea. I gather that soldiers in the hot South Pacific had somewhat better experiences with them.
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1911's Rule
Anything else is just a Hunk o JUNK.
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I meant this thread to be "tongue-in-cheek". But I've noticed that some here really freak out if the 1911 is disparaged in any fashion, even in jest.
Oh well. That's what medication is for, I guess.
I meant this thread to be "tongue-in-cheek". But I've noticed that some here really freak out if the 1911 is disparaged in any fashion, even in jest.
Oh well. That's what medication is for, I guess.
I heard that the reason why the M1 Carbine was liked in WWII but not in Korea was the addition of the auto-selector switch. Grunts expected to be able to spray down a target and hit them every time, and thus blamed the fact that the enemy didn't go down on the cartridge, not on the fact that their shots were going everywhere BUT the target!
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Least, that's what I've heard
I'm not saying that pistols are completely useless - I know if I were a grunt, or heck, even in a war zone, I'd be packing at least a sidearm on me and would feel naked without one. But in the grand scheme of things, the 1911 didn't play as big as a role as some would make out.
I do think it is awesome to read some of the MOH citations that include the 1911. This is one of the more inspiring ones that I've read:
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Yep dude ! you are right. 1911's do suck! The suck the wind right out of all the other makesr sales. Hells bells even Slick and willy is trying to market a so called 1911
The 1911 is a proven design. That is why it has dominated the semi auto market for nearly a 100 years. Notice I did not say survived, I said dominated.
The 1911 will never die.
The 1911 is a proven design. That is why it has dominated the semi auto market for nearly a 100 years. Notice I did not say survived, I said dominated.
The 1911 will never die.
In a large scale war, the individual weapons used, unless grossly mismatched, have very little to do with victory or defeat. And the least used and least important of individual weapons is the pistol. There is no way to know, but I would think that in WWII fewer than a hundred soldiers (total, both sides) were killed with pistols, and less than 1000 rounds actually fired at an individual enemy. Most pistol carriers were so armed simply because no one expected them to engage the enemy, and they usually didn't.
The stories about "how I fought off the 99th Panzer Division with my .45" are stories; the few instances where the pistol actually was used are remembered simply because they were so very rare.
Stories of the use of personal pistols are also likely to be just stories. It was generally prohibited to carry other than the issue weapon; some commanders prohibited possession of captured weapons after more GIs shot themselves or each other fooling with captured pistols than were killed or wounded in combat.
Jim
The stories about "how I fought off the 99th Panzer Division with my .45" are stories; the few instances where the pistol actually was used are remembered simply because they were so very rare.
Stories of the use of personal pistols are also likely to be just stories. It was generally prohibited to carry other than the issue weapon; some commanders prohibited possession of captured weapons after more GIs shot themselves or each other fooling with captured pistols than were killed or wounded in combat.
Jim
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TFL'er Hard Ball, for starters. In his words, everybody he ever shot with one "promptly fell down and died". I believe this was in Korea. For more info and tales, ref. the neverending M-1 Carbine thread.
TFL'er Hard Ball, for starters. In his words, everybody he ever shot with one "promptly fell down and died". I believe this was in Korea. For more info and tales, ref. the neverending M-1 Carbine thread.
Now, I love the 1911, but it's not like the 1911 was our primary arm in kicking ass in two world wars. I'm sure all the bombers, tanks, artillery, battleships, rifles, etc, contributed just a bit too.
I had to laugh when I saw the scene in Saving Private Ryan when Tom Hanks shot the tank with his 1911 and it blew and then you see P51 flying over head.
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I had to laugh when I saw the scene in Saving Private Ryan when Tom Hanks shot the tank with his 1911 and it blew and then you see P51 flying over head.
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