troy_mclure
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hodgdon isn't one of the best powders out there for 10mm, you get better velocities with blue dot, power pistol, n350, 800x.
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N.H. Yankee
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I owned a Delta elite 10mm when they first came out years ago, but this one jammed at least once every clip. I understand from reading posts this was cured. I also own an LAR Grizzly with a 10mm conversion barrel. I found the recoil in the Colt to be stout but not abusive. The gun shot well and I would have kept it had Colt been able to fix it, after 2 trips back and still a problem I got rid of it. I think the 10mm is an excellent round especially for hiking places where you might run into larger predators. I wouldn't use it on a grizzly unless its all I had but I think for mountain lion size animals it should do fine.
I own a S&W 1076 and it's one of my favorite handguns. Recoil with 180grn Double Tap XTP (advertised velocity of 1350) was actually a bit milder than my S&W 1911 with Remington 230grn FMJ and comparable to my CZ-75 with 127grn +P+ Winchester Ranger. Recoil is nowhere near as severe as my .357 Magnum (S&W K and N-Frames) or .44 Magnum (S&W N-Frame) revolvers.
RickB,
If I'm not mistaken, I think the top pressure for a .40 is 36,000 psi? Different powders operate best at different pressures, but this one doesn't appear to be pushing things at all, according to the data from Hodgdon.
Here's the data, copied directly from the chart on the website:
It's not that hot; it's just loaded with the right powder to get decent velocities.
Troy,
The source uses Hodgdon, IMR, and Winchester powders. While I'm sure there are other, better options, it gives a decent representation of what one can expect.
A person can certainly use other powders to get higher velocities. I'm sure there are better powders (and blends of powders) that can push the .40 S&W, too.
My original statement was that the 10mm will get 100-150 fps higher velocities than the .40 S&W. In the example given by orionengnr (source?), it get's 191 fps faster velocity than the loading data I used for the .40. That's the highest I've seen, and I've certainly not looked through all loads and data for the .40 S&W to get the fastest load. I've only used one source, and it's likely not the best for the .40 S&W, either.
To the OP,
My apologies for taking your thread in the wrong direction. That was not my intention at all. I made a one line comment in my first post to the thread, along with other (hopefully) helpful information. The rest of this was simply to back that one statement. In my 34 years of handloading, I've become something of a ballistics enthusiast, and I find the study of actual cartridge performance far more interesting than the hype I oft-times read on the 'net.
Daryl
If I'm not mistaken, I think the top pressure for a .40 is 36,000 psi? Different powders operate best at different pressures, but this one doesn't appear to be pushing things at all, according to the data from Hodgdon.
Here's the data, copied directly from the chart on the website:
It's not that hot; it's just loaded with the right powder to get decent velocities.
Troy,
The source uses Hodgdon, IMR, and Winchester powders. While I'm sure there are other, better options, it gives a decent representation of what one can expect.
A person can certainly use other powders to get higher velocities. I'm sure there are better powders (and blends of powders) that can push the .40 S&W, too.
My original statement was that the 10mm will get 100-150 fps higher velocities than the .40 S&W. In the example given by orionengnr (source?), it get's 191 fps faster velocity than the loading data I used for the .40. That's the highest I've seen, and I've certainly not looked through all loads and data for the .40 S&W to get the fastest load. I've only used one source, and it's likely not the best for the .40 S&W, either.
To the OP,
My apologies for taking your thread in the wrong direction. That was not my intention at all. I made a one line comment in my first post to the thread, along with other (hopefully) helpful information. The rest of this was simply to back that one statement. In my 34 years of handloading, I've become something of a ballistics enthusiast, and I find the study of actual cartridge performance far more interesting than the hype I oft-times read on the 'net.
Daryl
I bought a 10mm Dan Wesson CBOB several years ago to carry deer hunting.
I ordered some Double Tap practice ammo mainly for the brass but it shoots really well and is accurate. The recoil of the 10mm is not bad and is only a little snappier than the 45acp.
My carry/hunting loads are 180 gr. hollow point Zero Bullets using Longshot powder @ 1150fps. I can say for sure that the load is accurate and deadly out at 45 yards.
Shot this doe quartering to me just right of the breast bone. The bullet and jacket separated after impact with only a piece of the jacket exiting on the left side.
I ordered some Double Tap practice ammo mainly for the brass but it shoots really well and is accurate. The recoil of the 10mm is not bad and is only a little snappier than the 45acp.
My carry/hunting loads are 180 gr. hollow point Zero Bullets using Longshot powder @ 1150fps. I can say for sure that the load is accurate and deadly out at 45 yards.
Shot this doe quartering to me just right of the breast bone. The bullet and jacket separated after impact with only a piece of the jacket exiting on the left side.
TylerD45ACP
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No problem Daryl. Im interested in everything anyone has to say. Even if it strays from the OP. I'm somewhat interested in the 40 caliber but never got into it. I like the 45ACP the best 9mm second. The problem is I cant find a launch platform I would really like to have in 40S&W. Im a 1911 guy but would not want it in that. I was thinking a Hi-Power, but would still lean toward 9mm Hi-Power. Im not really a plastic guy that much either. The 1st plastic pistol I have touched and liked was a S&W M&P. So many firearms and calibers 
, so little time 
, so little time TylerD45ACP
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Nice. I would go with the Delta Elite. I don't like glock but I realize they are good pistols. I prefer all steel 1911's or other types of S&W autos. I also like the BHP.
The 10mm yearns to be shot from a 6" barrel! Loaded with Power Pistol powder, my custom G20L below chrono's (85° at 6,100ft asl) as follows:
180grn Gold Dot = 1,423fps and 809lb/ft ME!
165grn Gold Dot = 1,503fps and 827lb/ft ME!!
That's right up there with hot 158grn 357mag loads from a 6" revolver, however, without the magwell (I remove it for hunting) and loaded with 17+1 rds of 180grn ammo, it's actually lighter than a S&W 686 with only 6 rds of 158grn .357mag.
180grn Gold Dot = 1,423fps and 809lb/ft ME!
165grn Gold Dot = 1,503fps and 827lb/ft ME!!
That's right up there with hot 158grn 357mag loads from a 6" revolver, however, without the magwell (I remove it for hunting) and loaded with 17+1 rds of 180grn ammo, it's actually lighter than a S&W 686 with only 6 rds of 158grn .357mag.
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TylerD45ACP
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Thats a nice pistol Steve. 827ft/lbs!!! 
Nice. Still think I would go with the Delta Elite or S&W 1076.
Nice. Still think I would go with the Delta Elite or S&W 1076.
Rampant_Colt
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I always enjoy a good 10mm thread for some testosterone-induced, chest-thumping, machismo comparing whose factory and handloads are most potent
Glad to see you're wisely using W-W Silvertips in yer sweet 1076, Webley
10mm Silvertips are an excellent combination of controlability, terminal ballistics, and accuracy. Super-duper powerhouse loads aren't necessary for defensive scenarios involving 2-legged threats
Glad to see you're wisely using W-W Silvertips in yer sweet 1076, Webley
10mm Silvertips are an excellent combination of controlability, terminal ballistics, and accuracy. Super-duper powerhouse loads aren't necessary for defensive scenarios involving 2-legged threats
Catfishman
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This post makes me think the people saying that 10mms over-penetrate don't know what they are talking about. I've always suspected this because of their lack of facts.
The doe he is referring to doesn't appear to be very big.
troy_mclure
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this is why i prefer hardcast for hunting. but then all the deer we shot with the 158gr hydrashocks were just as dead too! lol
Magnum Wheel Man
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ugh...
I don't have a dedicated 40 S&W gun... but this is my dedicated 10 mm
... dedicated 10mm Magnum
newest... S&W 610 set up for moon clips, & with the chambers deepened to shoot 40 S&W, 10mm, & 10 mm Magnum
Many of us don't carry our firearms for just 2-legged threats. An twelve minute drive from home puts me at 8,140ft up in the Rockies. I always take my pistol with me when I go up, which is frequently. As there are mountain lions, wolves, and bear that might take umbrage with me, I pack as much firepower as I can.
In truth, I keep it loaded with hardcast 180grn bullets most of the time when in the Rockies. Against 2-legged types, my CCW piece is a Glock 23 loaded with 13+1 180grn Speer Gold Dots.
TylerD45ACP
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Witness is nice. I always wondered how those pistols were. I never fired one but like the look. Its got what I like in a firearm.