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TylerD45ACP

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I have always liked this round but have zero experience. My favorite pistol rounds go 45ACP, 357mag, 9mm. I never ever really liked the 40S&W and don't think I ever will. Rather have a 10MM. I love 1911's and the Delta Elite is 10MM. I wanted to hear some input from the die hard 10MM fans. I like the idea of this, is the recoil and muzzle flash really that intense. The round is also a beast and pushes like 750-800ft/lbs. Any input is greatly appreciated.
 
I have a Glock 20 and it is not too bad recoil wise because it is a relatively heavy pistol. I don't know If a G-29 would be as user friendly. I had a Delta Elite Colt and sold it like a fool. That was a great shooting gun. I don't remember the recoil being much different. That said, I love the 40, 357 and 44 mag and I don't mind a bit of spice with the round.
 
It's a great round. Bit more snap to it than a .45 but not abusive. Kimber makes a great 1911 version if you want that route. Or, Glock makes a great platform for it. 15rds of 10mm makes for a great woods gun!

Get real ammo for it. Double Tap is usually suggested. I haven't bought any from them yet though. Rem SilverTip has been my production choice so far and I have been happy with it's performance.

It's a great auto round with a lot of potential.
 
It seems under used. I agree it would make an excellent woods gun, the 10MM will penetrate something serious. If I got one I would really want a Delta Elite or like someone said Kimber 10MM. Some 1911 platform but I love the Delta for the 10MM. Id love to try one, got to find someone with a 10. This should be used by the LEO's instead of the 40 :rolleyes: like that would happen even though they started with the(FBI) 10MM. This round produces hydrostatic somewhat doesn't it?
 
The 10 is a great round. For reloaders, maybe the best centerfire pistol round there is. While I was seduced by the spectacular ballistics of some 10mm ammo, the cartridge was intended as a service round that allowed more ammo in a pistol of conventional size than did .45 (think .40 Hi-Power). Turning it into a magnum was essentially a mistake; not in the sense that it was regretted later, but in the sense that the round was never supposed to be the .41 Mag of pistol rounds. When the 1911 didn't die, as many thought it would in the '80s, and the Bren Ten didn't take the world by storm, there wasn't really much need for the 10. Even Col. Cooper admitted that there's little need for a self-defense round that shoots flat out to 75 yards. That said, there's all kinds of uses for the ballistics of which the cartridge is capable, and if you like to plink, hunt, walk in the woods, pack for protection, etc., there's a 10mm round that will get the job done. I was reading that the original Norma rounds were loaded to a max pressure of over 44,000CUP (more than double .45 ACP), but that modern, American-made ammo is loaded to about 35,000 (same as 9 and .40).
 
Its under used - because its expensive to shoot / even if you reload it - and its a "snappy" round to shoot / even for big guys like me.

I don't own a 1911 in 10mm ...but if I did it would be a Wilson Combat, Protector model, all stainless, 5" gun ...its a great gun in any caliber.

Expense and recoil aside / it has great ballistics ...and if you want one you should get one. The topic of caliber, bullet weight, etc is often debated on this forum and others - along with shot placement ...and I fall into the bigger is usually better / if you can put effective fire on target - quickly. If you can do that with a 10mm that's great ....if you can't / then I'd say look at a .40S&W or .45 acp or 9mm or something else ... But there is no denying the ballistics of the 10mm ...so if you really want one / but a good 1911 to shoot it in ...and I think you'll like it ! For me - the 10mm just isn't something I need ( I have 1911's in 9mm, .40 and .45 acp ) ...and I don't shoot the .40S&W that much / and I would probably shoot the 10mm even less ..
 
I got Kimber Elipse 10mm , and glock 20c . Both been great , better reload to afford .Feels like more push than 45 ,but nothing bad.
 
I have an EAA Witness Stock in 10mm. Love this gun. Recoil is a little snappy, but like others have said, it's not bad. I find it more more pleasant to shoot than .357 out of a revolver.

WARNING! It has a very loud report. While I can handle a round of 45 or 9mm occasionally fired without hearing protection, the 10mm is startling and somewhat painful - I know because I forgot to put my hearing protection on while firing a round once. If you intend to use it for Home Defense, just be aware of the fact that it will proably startle the heck out of you if you've never shot a 10mm without hearing protection.
 
In answer to your question regarding recoil, I really don't think it's 'heavier' than a +P .45ACP per say. I'd describe it more as 'snappier'. You get the definite feel that it's a very powerful cartridge when you shoot it, but it doesn't thump your hand like shooting a .41 mag, which is the cartridge that the marketers used to compare it too.

That said, I absolutely love my late '80s DE. Still one of my favorite guns.
 
I recently bought the G20SF and so far, I'm seriously impressed.

Then I bought the DoubleTap variety pack and shot almost all 200 rounds of it. It was excellent ammo and lots of fun.

After that, I loaded a bunch of starline brass with berry's plated 180s and various powders.

My latest 10mm project has been my own cast lead 180s with various powders and an EFK barrel.

Overall, the 10mm is lots of fun. I've fired around 500 rounds so far. It's a great caliber for the hobbyist. i know I couldn't afford to shoot it if I wasn't making it :)
 
In answer to your question regarding recoil, I really don't think it's 'heavier' than a +P .45ACP per say. I'd describe it more as 'snappier'.
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Modern 10mm from the major ammo makers is not a lot hotter than .45 +P; maybe an additional 50-75fps for 200gr loads. Consider that the original 10mm loads from the mid-'80s were clocking about 200fps faster than current .45 +P loads, and you might think differently about how heavy the recoil is! I consider 200 @ 1200 to be max (MAX) for 10mm, but some feel that it's just getting started at that level.
 
I have both the Colt Delta Elite and the Glock 29. The Delta, I've had since the 80s, and it is still one of my favorite guns. The fireball is pretty impressive to say the least; it's one of the few guns I constantly see a bright orange every time I pull the trigger, and I'm told it's even more impressive from the side. Recoil has never given me a problem, but quick follow-up shots become more difficult the farther up the performance ladder you go. Silver-Tips, though they are decent performers, aren't too difficult, Double-Taps certainly can be. The Glock was bought to replace the Delta in the role it's accustomed, that is woods and vacation gun. The Delta is still beautiful and I'd like to keep it that way. It would be hard to ugly up a Glock by banging it around in the woods. Some would argue that you can't ugly up a Glock at all, since a brand new one is ugly personified. At any rate, the Glock packs a little better, also.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I think I'm going to have to add a Delta Elite to that long list I'm making :D. I fire the 45ACP with +p sometimes, most of the time it's just hotter standard loads. However, at 30ft. out of my S&W 1911 fullsize, I find follow up shots easy. I am the most proficient with the 45ACP out of any caliber. The 10MM would be a fun gun if/when I get it.
 
While I disagree with you about the .40S&W*, I sure love my Glock 20SF. I've bought 8 Glocks and sold 5 in 2 years, and I believe I've found my 3rd keeper.

I reload, so I can assemble mild practice rounds, heavy PD rounds...as in the XTP155 at 1385FPS (@ 10')...and much-less-expensive heavy practice rounds that feel the same as my PD rounds.

I suppose if I hiked in country where bears lived, I'd come up with an XTP200 load for that.

I think it's a great cartridge and the Glock a great pistol.


* The .40S&W, too, is a versatile, powerful cartridge, and its reputation for excellence in LE is well earned.
 
I know the 40 S&W is a good round, I am not trying to knock it. For some reason I just don't like it, has nothing to do with performance. I think it's a great stopper. Some loads are close to and some loads better than the 45ACP. I think it has to to with how 40 caliber pistols fit in my had as well. 9mm double stacks are good because the 9mm's are smaller. I love single stacks the best. The 40 makes it too chunky in my hand, and I wouldn't get a single stack 40. I'm just better with the 45ACP and don't see myself changing.
 
Really! I was wondering If it might have "backup bear stopping" potential when the Brenneke 3inch mag slug fails. But if the bear knocks me down, I want something that is going to penetrate that skull. A bears skull is rediculous, its like a level I vest lol.(Just in general not talking about specific bears although I was thinking grizzlys.)
 
Just picked up a used Dan Wesson CBOB 10mm yesterday.
Received my set of dies today....and brass is on the way.
As soon as I get some rounds loaded up and fired, i will report back.

Yeah, I think I'm going to enjoy this round. :)
 
RickB said:
Modern 10mm from the major ammo makers is not a lot hotter than .45 +P
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I agree with RickB. Furthermore, I'd say that .45+p Rem 165gr Golden Sabers recoil harder than most 10mm I've shot (or the G20 handles it very well).

Overall, I say 10mm is a very manageable round.

Also, here's a youtube of my 10mm handloads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF0Tb6PwWV4 I'm posting this for recoil demonstration as it was pretty typical of all the 10mm I've fired thus far. That said, there's a heck of a lot of muzzle flash on these loads (that's why I took the video in the 1st place), so try to ignore that.

On my last trip to the range, I fired my .45 and 10mm side-by-side, and honestly they're not that different. And my .45s were target loads pushing 200gr @830.

If there's one weakness of the 10mm (per my understanding), it's excessive penetration - a problem I have myself *cough* - which is probably why people use them for bear protection and woods guns.

Anyway, I say buy one and find out.
 
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