Hey Rod...I don't think the 10mm can fulfill any of those points....but some will argue!
You may find that in 199 posts before yours, we have definitely argued!
Hey Rod...I don't think the 10mm can fulfill any of those points....but some will argue!
Ruger45LC wrote:
The 9x25 Dillon has a small following but look at what it is, you're shooting .355" 9mm bullets to velocities the bullet isn't designed for. You even get this with the 10mm, meaning it shooting .400" bullets faster than they're intended. With the .357 Mag, you get bullets specifically designed to handle the extra velocity it delivers, a big short fall with the 9x25 Dillon and 10mm.
Of course some will, some of us don't act like a S&W 610 10mm REVOLVER exists.I don't think the 10mm can fulfill any of those points....but some will argue!
Cosmodragoon said:What would say about your namesake's graduation to .454 and .460?
I don't know... The .357Mag gained its reputation primarily on the strength of the 125gr JHP loading. That round was known for rapid expansion and fragmentation, something that would likely be termed bullet failure in this day an age. Yet it worked very well for stopping bad guys in the real world.
Many of the 125gr 357 loads pass just fine, they don't even show them in test because the 357 service revolver isn't used anymore.The 125 grain 357 Magnum does not meet the FBI standards, yet as we know on the street it was legendary for being a fight stopper.
I sometimes wonder how this even got started since the FBI never even tested full power 10mm. They tested and adopted the 10mm with a 180gr bullet at ~1000 fps.The 10MM guys love to cite the other oft-repeated urban legend that the FBI dropped it in favor of the .40 S&W because female agents couldn't cope with its recoil.
NO THEY DIDN'TThe FBI did in fact test higher velocity 10MM loads. They did not offer anything above a .40 S&W.
How many people have you seen shot? With a 357 magnum? The reason police departments do not use 357 magnums anymore has absolutely nothing to do with effectiveness, it has to do with round count.The most oft-repeated urban legend is .357 Mag as ultimate man stopper. It is not, never was, & never will be. It's a good self-defense cartridge among many, some of which are superior, none of which are man stoppers.
Do you really think that any law enforcement agency would use an inferior duty weapon were a superior one available?
Certainly they would if the superior weapon were extraordinarily expensive, the officers couldn't shoot it well, or if it handicapped them significantly in some way (e.g. round count, slow reloads, etc.).Do you really think that any law enforcement agency would use an inferior duty weapon were a superior one available?
One could make the argument that some of the factors mentioned might make the weapon inferior, however the higher cost certainly does not. And cost is definitely a consideration in choosing an issue weapon.describes an inferior weapon.
There are still some LE agencies that do. In fact, here's one PD that changed over to the Glock 20 just a few years ago.I know of no law enforcement agency that issues a 10MM.
Patrick Urey, the agent in charges of the FBI's firearms testing at the time of the 10mm adoption, notes are linked in my post, hence the reason I posted the link. In it he states clearly that the only 10mm load tested for adoption for the FBI is the 180gr FBI lite load at 980fps. stating that other ammo was tested would be foolish.I used to have a copy of the FBI Firearms Testing Report. The 10MM with various ammo was in fact tested. Saying it wasn't is childish.