Your position on mandatory government service

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Just to clarify: the topic of the original post is "mandatory government service."

I have only the greatest respect and profound thanks to offer to anyone who has found the personal courage to VOLUNTEER for military service, and subsequently found themselves in combat.

I also humbly thank all those who were drafted and answered the call.

But to correct further: we are all the militia.

I hope that I will find the personal physical courage to answer my country's call should the need arise. But such a call will only come as a result of an attack of our sovereign soil, by enemies foreign or domestic.

My objections, and Daniel Webster's wise words, are directed at foreign entanglements or adventures; we are NOT the world's policemen!
 
the way I interpret the Constitution, citizenship is a *birthright*. if we start having citizenship tests and/or hurdles, we will end up with the country being controlled by The Party, and we know how well that works.

Joseph, our country does not have a history of "cohesiveness" in a general sense. all the way back to the Revolutionary War, there have been regional differences, religious differences, cultural differences. our country was settled by religious hotheads, convicts, economic refugees, and every sort of malcontent. even when you look at the community level, there have been severe problems with ethnic, cultural, and religious intolerance throughout our history. America is a boistrous, unstable, raucous place. that is our weakness, and our strength.

I'm glad we are obsessed with individual rights. when oppressed people want to enjoy freedom, they try to leave their collectivist/communitarian home and come to the United States. where are *we* going to go when our individual rights have been marginalized "for the good of the community?" everybody likes to pick and choose which part of the Constitution they want interpreted literally. the *whole* Bill of Rights is about individual rights, not just the 2nd Amendment.

and to be blunt, some of you need to brush up on your reading skills. no one has claimed that military service is indentured servitude, only *mandatory peacetime government service*. whether military or otherwise is not the f*cking issue. it is the mandatory part.
 
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You said <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"whether military or otherwise is not the f*cking issue. it is the mandatory part."[/quote]
And I agree.

Maybe, just maybe the 18% of my min wage job at the time put the bullet in the gun that saved some grunt's life. or my brothers.

Now, I'm told by one side, I can't vote because I would choose to carry a gun for my protection. (The penelty in Ohio for a felony CCW conviction). Then the other side tells me I can't vote because I refuse to carry a gun to protect someone else.

Bottom line time: Both sides choose to restrict my right. I stand in the middle, and train strong hand and weak hand, thank you very much.
 
I spent 21 years in the Army. During that time I saw many mama's boys, jerks, and street punks learn the hard way that in the military the monkey was on their back for their screw ups. Mommy and Daddy weren't there any longer to pull their butts out of a jam. Most became men and good soldiers. The ones who had to learn the hard way found out the stockade was not one of life's joys but it was a great learning experience. Most returned to their units with a different attitude. Maybe we wouldn't have so much trouble with young people now if they had to go into the military and learn a little self discipline. I'm going to offend some of you but I really don't care. Don't even equate me and other veterans with those low life, scum sucking, gutless cretins of the 60's who were more concerned with their own life and safety than anything else. They did more to destroy the morale and discipline in the military than any other element. If memory serves correctly, most got their skull bashed in because they were trying to burn or destroy some college or government building. As for mandatory service being called slavery, give me a freakin break. That is just the kind of juvenile rant you hear from your kids when they are made to do household chores. The welfare mentality is really becoming widespread. Talk about the baby boomers being the "me generation". Calling military service slavery is like that black congressman who compared black slavery to the extermination of the jews. Or the homosexuals claim that their fight for homosexual rights is the same as the blacks fight for their civil rights. So exagerated that it is ludicrous. It is obvious that some of you have never set foot on a military base let alone served in the military. You sound like the news reporters that talk about semi-auto revolvers. You like them are just showing your ignorance of the subject. Do any of you realize that the congress can stop all these excursions to the little sh*t holes of the world just by cutting off the money or repealing the War Powers Act. Why haven't they done it? Well because no one has written or called them enough to get them to do it. Why haven't many people called? Because no one has much stake in it. They don't have any kids in the military and the ones in the military are volunteers. What ever happens is their problem, they asked for it. Just like the LEO's, if they don't like the job, quit. If more families had family members in the military like during the draft years, how long do you think we would be in the balkans. Probably would have never gone there in the first place. A big reason there are fewer gun owners is that a large percentage of the population are never exposed to firearms like in the military. One last point and I 'll end this rant. An all volunteer force should scare the hell out of people. These are people pretty much from the same economic and social level. Many are looking for adventure and have that young, testosterone fired attitude of invincibility. Many relish going to war and getting to use their weapon systems against real targets. An attitude like many LEO's have develope, "us againt them". The old Soviet Union when faced with rebellion in one area would not use troops from that area to quell the uprising. They would bring in troops from a completely different region, usually from a different ethnic group that might even have a hatred for the rebellious group. They new that home boys very likely would not fire upon their own. It would be very hard for our government to get a draft army to fire upon fellow americans. An all volunteer army might not be so hard to convice that they are performin a patriotic duty by confiscating all our guns. After all, we are just "them", and they don't like us anyway. George Dickel
 
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