Your list of "All-Time Worst Guns"
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the
Arminus line; as imported from Germany. They
are a far cry from Sig's, Walther's, and
Mauser's. Probably the "poor man's" weapon
of choice, in Germany. If you had to face
a poorly armed perp; this is the firearm
you would want him/her to have!!!
Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Arminus line; as imported from Germany. They
are a far cry from Sig's, Walther's, and
Mauser's. Probably the "poor man's" weapon
of choice, in Germany. If you had to face
a poorly armed perp; this is the firearm
you would want him/her to have!!!
Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
killer45auto
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Mine had to be the S+W 4506 in stainless,horrible shooter shot great at first but within 50 rounds shot a foot low,traded it in on a Para and didnt look back!
killer45auto
killer45auto
Maybe I should mention I put over 100 rounds through my P-11 at the range last time. The slide did not close fully on ONE round. OTOH, I had a Glock 21 that would malfunction on Speer 185 HP's about 45% of the time. Not almost half of my shooting SESSIONS, but almost every other ROUND.
The small Sigma 9 had the worst trigger pull of any firearm I've ever tried. It was so bad I literally had a nightmare that I was being forced to defend myself with one...
The small Sigma 9 had the worst trigger pull of any firearm I've ever tried. It was so bad I literally had a nightmare that I was being forced to defend myself with one...
The modern guns discussed abovemay have their bad points, but the king of bad guns was the Warner "Infalible." It was so bad that very few were ever made and most people have never heard of it. It was so falible that it made a .22 Jennings look like the acme of reliability.
I really thought that Lorcin .22LR would be a good gun. 
I gave my 85 bucks for it brand new.
It was a great concept...10 in the mag, one in the chamber, but it couldn't cycle ammo for anything...not stingers, not subsonic, not remington, not winchester, i couldn't find any ammo that would work in it...i guess the lips on the mag were ill-formed.
I eventually put it to the torch, i cut it up in little peices. didn't wanna sell it and have someone get in a, uh, 'jam' cause the damn thing wouldn't work.
But, my kimber compact and my 9x18 makarov are my redeeming purchases.
I gave my 85 bucks for it brand new. It was a great concept...10 in the mag, one in the chamber, but it couldn't cycle ammo for anything...not stingers, not subsonic, not remington, not winchester, i couldn't find any ammo that would work in it...i guess the lips on the mag were ill-formed.
I eventually put it to the torch, i cut it up in little peices. didn't wanna sell it and have someone get in a, uh, 'jam' cause the damn thing wouldn't work.
But, my kimber compact and my 9x18 makarov are my redeeming purchases.
Here is mine-Ruger p series 45 acp.Functioned well but 8 inch groups at 20 yards.Tried about 8 different brands of ammo with nothing better.S&W sigma.Didn't learn on the 380 and hat to get one in a 9.
Had good luck with AMT.Had a hardballer longslide that had no problems.
Bob
Had good luck with AMT.Had a hardballer longslide that had no problems.
Bob
riddleofsteel
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strangely the worst and best guns have been the same ones. i have had good luck with most firearms. Astra, Sig, Star, Ruger, S&W, Colt ect. all fired well and feed well from the box. very few had any problems, BUT. i went to chose a full size semiauto pistol. i tried every pistol in an 80 mile radius of my home. this was years ago. finally the choice was a S&W 4006 or a Sig 229. i chose the S&W 4006. BIG MISTAKE, HUGE MISTAKE. the gun felt great. grip, controls, levers ect. were the most comfortable in my hand i had ever held. the gun was a jam-o-matic. it could hardly get thru a clip without some type of jam. i had honestly never seen a semiauto that exhibited ALL the kinds of jams you see in magazines. it would double feed, stovepipe, fail to feed, plus the side stop would bounce up and hold the slide open with rounds in the mag. having several other pistols i kept the gun for a while to teach jam/stoppage clearance. if i had a student that claimed to be knowledgeable about clearing jams the 4006 would humble him/her in short order. then one day i was talking to Cylinder and Slide and they indicated that the 4006's that they had worked on were superior performers. i sent them the gun and they ran interference with S&W and got it fixed on warranty for FREE, and in short order. i then put it in line for a reliability package and a combat trigger job. when the gun came back it was a dream. i installed a Clymer Arms (Springco) buffered recoil rod, a set of Ed Brown oversized decocker levers and mag release button, night sights and a Houge cocobolo checkered grip. i must say that it is now politically incorrect to say but this S&W 4006 is my favorite pistol. it feeds ANYTHING, shoots ANYTHING well and accurately and feels great. it is one gun that is not replaceable especially now and one that i will never sell or trade. a long way from the worst to the best huh.
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Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
My award goes to a revolver that influenced my taste in 44 Magnums. Drum roll. The answer is a Smith & Wesson Model 29-3. Everytime I shot it the gun went back to the smith. Its sights shot loose, it went out of time, etc. It could not take a steady diet of 44 Magnum cartridges. Why would I want a 44 Magnum to shoot 44 Specials in? I didn't, sold it, bought a Virginia Dragoon, and I have never looked back. Regards, Richard.
Without a doubt, a Kimber custom polymer I bought a while back. Thing jammed on nearly every bullet I fed it (even after a return trip to Kimber). Most honest statement I could have ever made if confronted with a bad guy would have been "Stop or I'll throw!"
Got rid of it and bought a SIG 220. Night and day difference there!
Got rid of it and bought a SIG 220. Night and day difference there!
Well, in the thread on GT I confessed to (at one time) owning a Jennings 'Bryco 9' and the horiffically mis-named Hi-Point. The Hi-Point was bought as a gag, just to see how long it would take to self-destruct. For some odd reason or another, I actually expected the Jennings to function... whoops.
However, I'd like to add to those two my Charco Bulldog Pug .44spl- alloy frame, matte nickel finish. 2 boxes of Silvertips and 5 boxes of 240gr SWC's (PMC, I believe) and the gun had been reduced to scrap. The nickel finish had flaked off the blast shield, crane, forcing cone, and topstrap. The cylinder had developed so much endshake and side-to-side play that is was too scary to shoot. The cylinder release was held on by a screw, which would back out under the shock of recoil, leaving you on hands and knees looking for your cylinder release. I know this is a 'carry a lot, shoot it seldom' gun but I did expect more than a 290 round lifespan when I bought it new...
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Tamara's House o' Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
[This message has been edited by Tamara (edited April 16, 2000).]
However, I'd like to add to those two my Charco Bulldog Pug .44spl- alloy frame, matte nickel finish. 2 boxes of Silvertips and 5 boxes of 240gr SWC's (PMC, I believe) and the gun had been reduced to scrap. The nickel finish had flaked off the blast shield, crane, forcing cone, and topstrap. The cylinder had developed so much endshake and side-to-side play that is was too scary to shoot. The cylinder release was held on by a screw, which would back out under the shock of recoil, leaving you on hands and knees looking for your cylinder release. I know this is a 'carry a lot, shoot it seldom' gun but I did expect more than a 290 round lifespan when I bought it new...
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Tamara's House o' Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
[This message has been edited by Tamara (edited April 16, 2000).]
The worst gun I ever owned by far was a Highpoint 9MMC (or something like that). This gun just refused to fire a full magazines worth of ammo, and it wasn't the ammo's fault either. I was so sick of that POS, that I took it to my dad's machine shop, and cut it up myself.
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!
Well,
I too fell for the S&W 4006 when it first came out. Couldn't stand the looks of a Glock.( I got over that as son as I shot one)
The 4006 did all of the above PLUS every other round it would bounce a piece of brass off my forehead. Traded for G23.
The other "Worst" gun was a Browning Citori O/U Trap. I had a BT-99 Trap that was a part of me but I wanted a O/U. Being young, stupid (same thing?) and mostly broke, I traded it. I was in such a hurry to get it I didn't check the fit. If you think fit is important in a handgun, just try shooting trap with a gun that doesn't fit. Took all the fun out of trap shooting.
About that time I discovered girls so my intrests (and most of my blood flow) went elsewhere for about 10 years.
Older and wiser now, I try to check the fit on things a little better before I buy OR sell. I wonder how a Steyr Scout would fit?
Rick
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Guns cause crime like trailerparks cause tornados.
I too fell for the S&W 4006 when it first came out. Couldn't stand the looks of a Glock.( I got over that as son as I shot one)
The 4006 did all of the above PLUS every other round it would bounce a piece of brass off my forehead. Traded for G23.
The other "Worst" gun was a Browning Citori O/U Trap. I had a BT-99 Trap that was a part of me but I wanted a O/U. Being young, stupid (same thing?) and mostly broke, I traded it. I was in such a hurry to get it I didn't check the fit. If you think fit is important in a handgun, just try shooting trap with a gun that doesn't fit. Took all the fun out of trap shooting.
About that time I discovered girls so my intrests (and most of my blood flow) went elsewhere for about 10 years.
Older and wiser now, I try to check the fit on things a little better before I buy OR sell. I wonder how a Steyr Scout would fit?
Rick
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Guns cause crime like trailerparks cause tornados.
hksigwalther
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Stupid? Here's stupid :
Had purchase an IAI(AMT) Javalina 10mm. Essentially a Harballer Longslide in 10. Have always like the looks of the gun for a long time (since junior high). Was lucky to run a full mag without FTF 10% of the time.
Thinking that maybe I just got the 1 in a 1000 bad one that got through QC, I proceded to buy a AMT .45 Hardballer Longslide (IAI at this time finally got rights to the AMT name). Same thing only worse. [Shame on me.]
These two events have shied me away from 1911s. Now use the Jav for parts for my Springfield Omega 10 (not a 1911) and will convert the .45 into a single shot .223, .22-250, or .308 (low priority).
- Ron V.
Had purchase an IAI(AMT) Javalina 10mm. Essentially a Harballer Longslide in 10. Have always like the looks of the gun for a long time (since junior high). Was lucky to run a full mag without FTF 10% of the time.
Thinking that maybe I just got the 1 in a 1000 bad one that got through QC, I proceded to buy a AMT .45 Hardballer Longslide (IAI at this time finally got rights to the AMT name). Same thing only worse. [Shame on me.]
These two events have shied me away from 1911s. Now use the Jav for parts for my Springfield Omega 10 (not a 1911) and will convert the .45 into a single shot .223, .22-250, or .308 (low priority).
- Ron V.
AF Shooter
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Without a doubt the worst gun I've ever shot was the Grendel .380. The damn thing only went bang about every third trigger pull. Had it about 3 days.
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Tom Whitman
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Tom Whitman
SSgt, USAF
Worst:
Thomas DAO 45. What would be the grip safety on a 1911 forced a cam up into a recess in the slide which firing was supposed to force back down, thus delaying opening til pressures dropped, in theory. In practice, it was a manually operated repeater.
Next to worst:
First generation S&W Model 59. I'm informed that it's 3rd owner after me finally found a smith who got it to function reliably. Twenty-five years later I have a 39-2 and a 5944 that have never failed to work perfectly for me.
Second runner up:
VP70Z - a trigger that wouldn't let you hit a barn once out of a full magazine (18 or 19 rounds) if you were locked inside one.
Thomas DAO 45. What would be the grip safety on a 1911 forced a cam up into a recess in the slide which firing was supposed to force back down, thus delaying opening til pressures dropped, in theory. In practice, it was a manually operated repeater.
Next to worst:
First generation S&W Model 59. I'm informed that it's 3rd owner after me finally found a smith who got it to function reliably. Twenty-five years later I have a 39-2 and a 5944 that have never failed to work perfectly for me.
Second runner up:
VP70Z - a trigger that wouldn't let you hit a barn once out of a full magazine (18 or 19 rounds) if you were locked inside one.
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