Your actions with respect to the Law
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Eric of IN
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MYOB
If it soesn't affect me, then I just don't care.
Eric
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Formerly Puddle Pirate.
Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
If it soesn't affect me, then I just don't care.
Eric
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Formerly Puddle Pirate.
Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
fight4yourrights
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Some shooters think they should speak with the "under 16 inch" barrel guy and warn him of the possible illegality, thereby saving him.
It's not my business to assume fellow shooters don't know the law, don't follow the law. Maybe he had a registered short barrel weapon, maybe he doesn't know the law, maybe he doesn't care, or maybe my eyes aren't calibrated enough to ensure an accurate measurement.
Regardless, it was his business, not mine.
(We were tempted to see if we could shoot it!)
It's not my business to assume fellow shooters don't know the law, don't follow the law. Maybe he had a registered short barrel weapon, maybe he doesn't know the law, maybe he doesn't care, or maybe my eyes aren't calibrated enough to ensure an accurate measurement.
Regardless, it was his business, not mine.
(We were tempted to see if we could shoot it!)
I hear full auto bursts from time to
time.
It's a pleasant and soothing sound and
I am always pleased to hear it.
I gotta say, it is unusual to some times
hear a ten round or so burst from
a barking weapon like an AK, and then
nothing else all afternoon.
Gotta wonder about that.
In rural Virginia, West Virginia and
at least Southeast Pa, if you spend
a lot of time in the woods, you
*will* hear the rattle of a bullethose
on a nice day.
I think nothing of it.
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Out near my folks place which sits on a mountain above some real nice farm land in Va outside of DC, years back, I heard on 3 consecutive sundays repeated automatic fire on and off most of the afternoon.
4th sunday I went looking, because I had
no idea what kinda weapon it was. Had a real
throaty report and a low cyclic rate. I found
it too, within an hour, it wasn't hard to find.
Parked on the road, and walked up the fence line on the adjacent property and flagged the first person who looked with my hat.
The waved me over, and I got to fire the only
Maxim I've ever been close to.
That was fun.
time.
It's a pleasant and soothing sound and
I am always pleased to hear it.
I gotta say, it is unusual to some times
hear a ten round or so burst from
a barking weapon like an AK, and then
nothing else all afternoon.
Gotta wonder about that.
In rural Virginia, West Virginia and
at least Southeast Pa, if you spend
a lot of time in the woods, you
*will* hear the rattle of a bullethose
on a nice day.
I think nothing of it.
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Out near my folks place which sits on a mountain above some real nice farm land in Va outside of DC, years back, I heard on 3 consecutive sundays repeated automatic fire on and off most of the afternoon.
4th sunday I went looking, because I had
no idea what kinda weapon it was. Had a real
throaty report and a low cyclic rate. I found
it too, within an hour, it wasn't hard to find.
Parked on the road, and walked up the fence line on the adjacent property and flagged the first person who looked with my hat.
The waved me over, and I got to fire the only
Maxim I've ever been close to.
That was fun.
The shooter: I don't know if the weapon is unregistered--you inferred more than the information that was given--that's why I MYOB. If I can confirm that it is illegal, that's a hard call. If they look like gangbangers (white, black, red, yellow, brown, no racism meant here) I'd slip off to call the cops. You want them facing down your local LEO folk at a later, less advantageous date?
The smoker: You really have to twist the Bill of Rights to make it condone drug use, IMO. It doesn't affect you? We all complain about illegal guns and gangs running up the MMM's "gun violence" tally. What are they shooting each other over in the majority of cases? Drugs, maybe? Why do they break into your home in the majority of cases--to get money for...maybe you get my drift by now. Just because the yuppie or hippie folk next door are smoking it safe and sound doesn't mean their source for the stuff doesn't have blood on their hands somewhere down the line.
Make it legal? How many more people do you think we'd be scraping off the roadways than we already do because of alcohol? I drink an occasional beer or two myself, so I am not against alcohol, but you cannot compare alcohol (except for chronic physical addiction) to the potency of pot/narcotics. Science would prove you wrong in a heartbeat. But if you drink too much alcohol, I'd be on your case about that.
No flame intended. Just an explanation of my apparent hypocrisy.
The smoker: You really have to twist the Bill of Rights to make it condone drug use, IMO. It doesn't affect you? We all complain about illegal guns and gangs running up the MMM's "gun violence" tally. What are they shooting each other over in the majority of cases? Drugs, maybe? Why do they break into your home in the majority of cases--to get money for...maybe you get my drift by now. Just because the yuppie or hippie folk next door are smoking it safe and sound doesn't mean their source for the stuff doesn't have blood on their hands somewhere down the line.
Make it legal? How many more people do you think we'd be scraping off the roadways than we already do because of alcohol? I drink an occasional beer or two myself, so I am not against alcohol, but you cannot compare alcohol (except for chronic physical addiction) to the potency of pot/narcotics. Science would prove you wrong in a heartbeat. But if you drink too much alcohol, I'd be on your case about that.
No flame intended. Just an explanation of my apparent hypocrisy.
Danger Dave
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I would ignore them both.
One time, I went to a private range with a friend of mine & his class III Uzi. Two guys that were there when we got there suddenly packed up their stuff & left. Fifteen minutes later, a deputy shows up & asks to see the paperwork. Coincidence? BTW, the deputy shot the Uzi before he left
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As for the marijuana...How do YOU know what marijuana smells like?
Somebody wrote something in the sand once...
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone..."
BTW, I've also been at a party where someone "fired one up". I was standing next to a friend of mine's roommate, who was a cop. It was kind of funny when the hostess pointed out that the guy standing 10 ft away was a cop. The look of panic on her face while she was trying to put it out was priceless. And no, he didn't do anything. All he said was, "I don't care - just stay off the roads."
Just a question for the cops out there - as far as people "under the influence" becoming violent, how many would you say, based on your personal experience, are drunk vs. on marijuana?
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One time, I went to a private range with a friend of mine & his class III Uzi. Two guys that were there when we got there suddenly packed up their stuff & left. Fifteen minutes later, a deputy shows up & asks to see the paperwork. Coincidence? BTW, the deputy shot the Uzi before he left
.As for the marijuana...How do YOU know what marijuana smells like?
Somebody wrote something in the sand once...
"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone..."
BTW, I've also been at a party where someone "fired one up". I was standing next to a friend of mine's roommate, who was a cop. It was kind of funny when the hostess pointed out that the guy standing 10 ft away was a cop. The look of panic on her face while she was trying to put it out was priceless. And no, he didn't do anything. All he said was, "I don't care - just stay off the roads."
Just a question for the cops out there - as far as people "under the influence" becoming violent, how many would you say, based on your personal experience, are drunk vs. on marijuana?
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Jeff Thomas
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Gee, it depends. Am I supposed to pretend I'm in a free U.S, or am I supposed to get with the program in today's Russia / U.S. hybrid state?
Mind your own business. Americans shouldn't be reporting each other to the 'authorities'. How disgusting.
Regards from AZ
Mind your own business. Americans shouldn't be reporting each other to the 'authorities'. How disgusting.
Regards from AZ
I lead a fairly sheltered life and even I know that it is purely laughable to suggest the people get "violent" or "drive crazy" under the influence of marijuana... more like the EXACT OPPOSITE!
Also the old "I drink beer so alcohol is okay.. I don't use pot so I don't think anyone else ought to" is funny too.
We hope the RKBA fence sitters don't vote this way --"I don't own any guns so to hell with RKBA"
Someone else said it earlier... freedom is freedom... regardless or your pet issue. If you want others to respect yours, be prepared to recipricate.
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Also the old "I drink beer so alcohol is okay.. I don't use pot so I don't think anyone else ought to" is funny too.
We hope the RKBA fence sitters don't vote this way --"I don't own any guns so to hell with RKBA"
Someone else said it earlier... freedom is freedom... regardless or your pet issue. If you want others to respect yours, be prepared to recipricate.
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I'm with Jordan on this one. As Lenny Bruce said, drink every day your whole life long and you'll burn up your liver. Smoke pot every day and you may get bronchitis. My point, and I do have one, is that it doesn't make sense to ban the more benign of the two.
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As regards the full auto, I would simply assume the shooter knows enough to have the paperwork; if not, I figure the law will catch up with him sometime. A full-auto serves the same function as a shotgun, and I don't get upset when I see someone with one of those.
As for the "doobies," if I were to turn in everyone I know who smokes grass I would have few friends or neighbors. It's their life, their potential arrest and their problem.
I also don't think it's out of line to mention to someone politely that his gun may not be legal. A friend assembled a Spas 12 folder from mail-order parts. I told him he could get five years for it, and let it go at that.
Just my .02.
Dick
As for the "doobies," if I were to turn in everyone I know who smokes grass I would have few friends or neighbors. It's their life, their potential arrest and their problem.
I also don't think it's out of line to mention to someone politely that his gun may not be legal. A friend assembled a Spas 12 folder from mail-order parts. I told him he could get five years for it, and let it go at that.
Just my .02.
Dick
Last autumn, I was out with a rifle class up in the hills. 5 instructors and 10 students, and everyone was more than passing familiar with firearms.
From about 2 rises over we clearly heard "pop-pop-pop... pop-pop-pop."
I was talking with the HMFIC and his Second at the time. All of us glanced in the direction of the 3-round bursts, smiled, and continued our conversation. No one, AFAIK, even considered going over to make sure the guy was legal. It ain't the feds' business, and it ain't ours, as long as no one is in danger.
As for the second scenario, someone else smoking pot neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, so I don't care. Again, as long as I'm not in danger, WGAS?
From about 2 rises over we clearly heard "pop-pop-pop... pop-pop-pop."
I was talking with the HMFIC and his Second at the time. All of us glanced in the direction of the 3-round bursts, smiled, and continued our conversation. No one, AFAIK, even considered going over to make sure the guy was legal. It ain't the feds' business, and it ain't ours, as long as no one is in danger.
As for the second scenario, someone else smoking pot neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, so I don't care. Again, as long as I'm not in danger, WGAS?
A rural area, It's most likely a cop shooting it.
Really, I would do nothing. People in rural areas tend to be more independent and know that if anything happens they will be on their own. LE can take a long time to reach them , so it's up to them and their neighbors to take care of themselves. A full auto weapon in an honest citizens hands is only a worry to the ATF, not me. Full autos are fun to shoot, but I'll take down more people with a semi auto anyday.
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Really, I would do nothing. People in rural areas tend to be more independent and know that if anything happens they will be on their own. LE can take a long time to reach them , so it's up to them and their neighbors to take care of themselves. A full auto weapon in an honest citizens hands is only a worry to the ATF, not me. Full autos are fun to shoot, but I'll take down more people with a semi auto anyday.
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I'd mind my own business. If somebody is not endagering others, they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned. I mean oral sex between married couples is still illegal in some states for cripes sake.
"The smoker: You really have to twist the Bill of Rights to make it condone drug use, IMO. It doesn't affect you? We all complain about illegal guns and gangs running up the MMM's "gun violence" tally. What are they shooting each other over in the majority of cases? Drugs, maybe? Why do they break into your home in the majority of cases--to get money for...maybe you get my drift by now. Just because the yuppie or hippie folk next door are smoking it safe and sound doesn't mean their source for the stuff doesn't have blood on their hands somewhere down the line."
While I agree that its not a "right" per se, this is the Rosie argument. To wit: "You may never hurt someone with your gun, but somebody else might use one just like it to hurt somebody else, or it might get stolen by vicous criminals, so by owning that gun you have blood on your hands." It's disingenuous at best and specious at worst. Its illogical. What about homegrown? How does that have blood on it? Further the only reason there is massive profits and violence associated with pot at all is because its illegal. Prohibition is what gave rise to organized crime in this country and we've had to deal with it ever since. I'm not saying you should be for legalization, but please think about this some more.
"...as far as people "under the influence" becoming violent, how many would you say, based on your personal experience, are drunk vs. on marijuana?"
I'm not a cop, but I've known several people over the years who lit up occasionally and had a friend who owned a small rural bar for several years. I have no empiricle evidence, but drunks are far, far, far more likely to get belligerant, mouthy and violent than the pot smokers. Never knew anybody who did anything harder so have no experience. BTW, without exception every one of the pot smokers I've known were gainfully employed, responsible citizens who never bothered anyone. Of course this isn't a representative sample, because I don't associate with people who like to cause trouble - whether they drink or not, smoke or not, or are just nasty people. FWIW.
"When they came for the Marijuana smokers...I said nothing because I did not smoke......" Exactly. Or...
"When they came for my neighbors guns (SUV, motorcycle, cigarettes, crossbow, whatever "they" don't want you to have) I did nothing because I don't have guns (SUV, motorcycle, cigarettes, crossbow, whatever "they" don't want you to have)."
"The smoker: You really have to twist the Bill of Rights to make it condone drug use, IMO. It doesn't affect you? We all complain about illegal guns and gangs running up the MMM's "gun violence" tally. What are they shooting each other over in the majority of cases? Drugs, maybe? Why do they break into your home in the majority of cases--to get money for...maybe you get my drift by now. Just because the yuppie or hippie folk next door are smoking it safe and sound doesn't mean their source for the stuff doesn't have blood on their hands somewhere down the line."
While I agree that its not a "right" per se, this is the Rosie argument. To wit: "You may never hurt someone with your gun, but somebody else might use one just like it to hurt somebody else, or it might get stolen by vicous criminals, so by owning that gun you have blood on your hands." It's disingenuous at best and specious at worst. Its illogical. What about homegrown? How does that have blood on it? Further the only reason there is massive profits and violence associated with pot at all is because its illegal. Prohibition is what gave rise to organized crime in this country and we've had to deal with it ever since. I'm not saying you should be for legalization, but please think about this some more.
"...as far as people "under the influence" becoming violent, how many would you say, based on your personal experience, are drunk vs. on marijuana?"
I'm not a cop, but I've known several people over the years who lit up occasionally and had a friend who owned a small rural bar for several years. I have no empiricle evidence, but drunks are far, far, far more likely to get belligerant, mouthy and violent than the pot smokers. Never knew anybody who did anything harder so have no experience. BTW, without exception every one of the pot smokers I've known were gainfully employed, responsible citizens who never bothered anyone. Of course this isn't a representative sample, because I don't associate with people who like to cause trouble - whether they drink or not, smoke or not, or are just nasty people. FWIW.
"When they came for the Marijuana smokers...I said nothing because I did not smoke......" Exactly. Or...
"When they came for my neighbors guns (SUV, motorcycle, cigarettes, crossbow, whatever "they" don't want you to have) I did nothing because I don't have guns (SUV, motorcycle, cigarettes, crossbow, whatever "they" don't want you to have)."
As for the sound of what I think might be AS. Why would I give a care if someone was doing that.
I live in Iowa, so I'd have to assume it was LEO, cause it's illegal for Militia men to do that here. And the military would use the range, without exception!
As for the smell of weed coming from next door. So what, it does every Friday & Saturday night anyway. And they're never any trouble to me or mine, fact is, they keep an eye out for scumbags, so in essence, they're helping me out in a way too. I'll reciprocate the consideration, and leave it the Hell alone.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
I live in Iowa, so I'd have to assume it was LEO, cause it's illegal for Militia men to do that here. And the military would use the range, without exception!
As for the smell of weed coming from next door. So what, it does every Friday & Saturday night anyway. And they're never any trouble to me or mine, fact is, they keep an eye out for scumbags, so in essence, they're helping me out in a way too. I'll reciprocate the consideration, and leave it the Hell alone.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler