Would You Trust Your Life With a .380?
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North East Redneck
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Would I carry a .380? If I had one I could shoot well and was proven to be reliable I would.
I carry .38 special and .45 auto now and they work for me.
I carry .38 special and .45 auto now and they work for me.
Cheapshooter
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Nonsense. The smallest 32acp pistol is the Seecamp. All dimensions are identical to the 380acp version except the width. Which is an unnoticeable 4/100th of an inch. The loaded weight of ghe 380 Seecamp is less than 1/2 ounce more than the 32.
Move to the much more affordable Kel-Tec P32, and the length increases by only 3/4 of an inch, but the width is slightly narrower. The weight is over 3 1/4 ounces lighter making it easier to carry. In rease to the 380acp P3at, and the length increases an miniscule few 100ths of an inch, weight increases a fraction of an ounce, but still less than the Seecamp 32. Width difference again is unnoticeable without an instrument to measure it.
The Kel-Tec P3at, Ruger LCP, and many other very closely copied pistols are indeed TRUE concealed carry mouseguns. No matter what the atire of the day is.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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Yes that is what I am saying: 4" x 5" x 0.75" true CCW.
My Posts and comments are obviously biased to my local particular Situation.
If People would see on you a gun or even think "Oh my *** he's armed" then at exiting let's say a store the Police would be awaiting you.
And I tell ya' you would be in deep -CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED-!
People over here are not tolerant and used to weapons carrying privatees.
The owner of any store would ask you immediately to leave the store if they suspect you are armed.
And then most likely the Police would ask you to Show up or would take away your weapon and press charges.
It's just the culture here is not anymore an weapon culture.
Over here you MUST OWN A BUSINESS TO LEGALLY Conceal Carry.
If you do not own a Business, hence you are a "poor dog" and nobody, then you are NOT allowed to CC unless you proove in court there is an threath to your life (if someone threathened you). But that court Thing is a Long issue and by then you probably are assaulted already.
Therefore, what do People if they are poor but want to defend their lives on street but can not CC?
They CC anyways wihtout a Permit.
My Posts and comments are obviously biased to my local particular Situation.
If People would see on you a gun or even think "Oh my *** he's armed" then at exiting let's say a store the Police would be awaiting you.
And I tell ya' you would be in deep -CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED-!
People over here are not tolerant and used to weapons carrying privatees.
The owner of any store would ask you immediately to leave the store if they suspect you are armed.
And then most likely the Police would ask you to Show up or would take away your weapon and press charges.
It's just the culture here is not anymore an weapon culture.
Over here you MUST OWN A BUSINESS TO LEGALLY Conceal Carry.
If you do not own a Business, hence you are a "poor dog" and nobody, then you are NOT allowed to CC unless you proove in court there is an threath to your life (if someone threathened you). But that court Thing is a Long issue and by then you probably are assaulted already.
Therefore, what do People if they are poor but want to defend their lives on street but can not CC?
They CC anyways wihtout a Permit.
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RoughDivider
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I live in an area that's ~100*F with ~80% humidity in the summer, true CCW for me is anywhere from a pocket pistol to a full size pistol. Utilize IWB carry the fact that I'm 5'9" 160 lbs with broad shoulders and as long as I'm not wearing a skintight shirt I can conceal most pistols. So your definition of true carry may be true personally but if we're going by the wording it's concealed carry weapon, meaning any weapon carried concealed.
CCW practice?
I read all over the place.... I'm on four major gun forums. Gun owners love to burn up ammo in the name of practicing to become proficient with a CC weapon. I've never considered a CC gun a Range Gun, for clarification.
Then say their wives or themselves get beat up with the snap of shooting 100, 200, 500 rounds. Well no wonder!!!!!
I've never practiced with more than two mags full of what I'm packing!!!!
Like sighting in a high powered rifle I rarely shoot over 5-8 shots if that many.
It's like the old saying. When the mega shot pistols hit the markets. The revolver guys called it "Spray and Pray!"
The most I ever shot from my Glocks or Revolvers was Double Taps or two to the chest and one to the head.
Looks to me one should really be on the Tactical forums reading up on
duck and cover. Run a way. Crawl and hide!
When I decided to lower my shooting platform to the .380 I decided to lessen the distance of pulling my weapon... Like when I carried my NAA five shot 2" 22 mag.... That was a contact weapon (in the eye, ear, throat, etc.
During my service years as an LEO we were ordered never to pull our 4" revolvers more than about two arms length unless being fired upon from a distance,,, that would require grabbing the shotgun from the Cruiser.
Just the way it was. Back in the early sixties. And the only time I pulled my own service Colt I could touch the perp on the nose with it. OR shove it up their Kazoo! You get the picture.
I read all over the place.... I'm on four major gun forums. Gun owners love to burn up ammo in the name of practicing to become proficient with a CC weapon. I've never considered a CC gun a Range Gun, for clarification.
Then say their wives or themselves get beat up with the snap of shooting 100, 200, 500 rounds. Well no wonder!!!!!
I've never practiced with more than two mags full of what I'm packing!!!!
Like sighting in a high powered rifle I rarely shoot over 5-8 shots if that many.
It's like the old saying. When the mega shot pistols hit the markets. The revolver guys called it "Spray and Pray!"
The most I ever shot from my Glocks or Revolvers was Double Taps or two to the chest and one to the head.
Looks to me one should really be on the Tactical forums reading up on
duck and cover. Run a way. Crawl and hide!
When I decided to lower my shooting platform to the .380 I decided to lessen the distance of pulling my weapon... Like when I carried my NAA five shot 2" 22 mag.... That was a contact weapon (in the eye, ear, throat, etc.
During my service years as an LEO we were ordered never to pull our 4" revolvers more than about two arms length unless being fired upon from a distance,,, that would require grabbing the shotgun from the Cruiser.
Just the way it was. Back in the early sixties. And the only time I pulled my own service Colt I could touch the perp on the nose with it. OR shove it up their Kazoo! You get the picture.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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Cheapshooter,
There ya go.
The Seecamp in 380 acp has to be even more wide than the 32 acp Version.
It's because the caliber is bigger.
Try to shoot a 9mm Luger round in an Seecamp if such gun would exist!
The difference is, let's suppose, with the same gun weight and dimensions the 9mm Luger caliber will be almost unshootable because of recoil, the 380 acp (again same gun) will be shootable but beat your fingers up so you may develop a serios flinch while self defending, the 32 acp same gun will be a pleasure to shoot.
In an 4"x5"x0.75" 11.5 oz gun the 9mm Luger is just to powerfull creating way too much recoil.
For me even an 22 oz Plastik gun is too light for the 9mm Luger so I sold that gun for an Beretta 92 34 oz gun.
Yes I agree with you guys it is better having an 4"x5"x0.75" 11.5 oz mouse gun in 44 Magnum. But will it be shootable?
There ya go.
The Seecamp in 380 acp has to be even more wide than the 32 acp Version.
It's because the caliber is bigger.
Try to shoot a 9mm Luger round in an Seecamp if such gun would exist!
The difference is, let's suppose, with the same gun weight and dimensions the 9mm Luger caliber will be almost unshootable because of recoil, the 380 acp (again same gun) will be shootable but beat your fingers up so you may develop a serios flinch while self defending, the 32 acp same gun will be a pleasure to shoot.
In an 4"x5"x0.75" 11.5 oz gun the 9mm Luger is just to powerfull creating way too much recoil.
For me even an 22 oz Plastik gun is too light for the 9mm Luger so I sold that gun for an Beretta 92 34 oz gun.
Yes I agree with you guys it is better having an 4"x5"x0.75" 11.5 oz mouse gun in 44 Magnum. But will it be shootable?
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Cheapshooter
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I do shoot a very small 9MM. A Kahr CM9 that is not a lot bigger than my Ruger LCP, and weighs only a couple ounces more than a Seecamp 32. I enjoy shooting the Kahr, and the LCP as well. I shoot both accurately with consistency. Even with +P ammo in the Kahr. Not until I get into shooting my Thompson Center Contender with the rifle caliber barrels in 35 Remington, or 45-70 goes recioil become an issue. Even then a usual range session is 20-40 rounds or more. Maybe if recoil is a big problem for some people pepper spray would be a better solution.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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The Kahr CM9
Is 16 oz. That is to heavy.
Length is too much (5.42") and may not enter that leather disguised pouch I posted.
height is OK (4.0") and with as well at 0.9".
Is 16 oz. That is to heavy.
Length is too much (5.42") and may not enter that leather disguised pouch I posted.
height is OK (4.0") and with as well at 0.9".
Cheapshooter
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Just pointing out that there are small 9MM guns that are concealable, and pleasant to shoot. No, my CM9 does not fit comfortable in the pocket of every pair of pants I have, but in many it isn't any more noticable than my LCP or even Kel-Tec P32.
I carried an old Colt 1908 for a while, while my usual .45 was broken.
If I absolutely had to shoot someone, I'd prefer that I had the .45 (or an AR . . .) available, but I had confidence that the .380 would run, and that I could hit what I was aiming at, and those two seem more important than ballistics.
If I absolutely had to shoot someone, I'd prefer that I had the .45 (or an AR . . .) available, but I had confidence that the .380 would run, and that I could hit what I was aiming at, and those two seem more important than ballistics.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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Well! I most certainly did not suggest anybody to CC on a Nudist beach. 
But I just wanted to make a Point to how you will be able to Conceal Carry a Weapon when you are in a swimm suit.
On afternoon-evening most likely most of you will wear Shorts on your Veranda and not carrying your "combat gear" and bullet proof vest.
Unwelcome things happen often when you least expect it like you are sniffin' your drink while doing some Barbecue on your Veranda and suddenly some unwanted People Show up sayin': gimme you' mony'.
You better have your CC disguised phone Holster and phone with you in that Situation.
To reach out for the Money and taking out the gun.
Nasty surprise for the evil doer!
But I just wanted to make a Point to how you will be able to Conceal Carry a Weapon when you are in a swimm suit.
On afternoon-evening most likely most of you will wear Shorts on your Veranda and not carrying your "combat gear" and bullet proof vest.
Unwelcome things happen often when you least expect it like you are sniffin' your drink while doing some Barbecue on your Veranda and suddenly some unwanted People Show up sayin': gimme you' mony'.
You better have your CC disguised phone Holster and phone with you in that Situation.
To reach out for the Money and taking out the gun.
Nasty surprise for the evil doer!
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And the point I am making is that I can and do carry a larger pistol (in my case, a Glock 26) in shorts, with an IWB hoslter, and the tail of my shirt out. I have a pocket pistol for other occasions, but there are few situations in which, with just a little thought and effort, I can't carry something bigger.
Do what you are comfortable with and what makes you feel safe. I just would rather you didn't pronounce universal truths, because there are beginners who come to TFL to learn the basics, and don't know enough to discern opinions designed for highly specific situations from general advice.
Do what you are comfortable with and what makes you feel safe. I just would rather you didn't pronounce universal truths, because there are beginners who come to TFL to learn the basics, and don't know enough to discern opinions designed for highly specific situations from general advice.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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One more element for defining Concealed Carry Weapon should be this:
*you never know your CCW is even there. So light and small should it be so you will CCW every time (at least 12 hs per day).
If you want to carry a big gun, you should open carry in the Wild West pistolero style (each side an Revolver showing everyone it is a bad idea to challenge them).
That is why CC is determined by size and weight by the smallest gun.
*you never know your CCW is even there. So light and small should it be so you will CCW every time (at least 12 hs per day).
If you want to carry a big gun, you should open carry in the Wild West pistolero style (each side an Revolver showing everyone it is a bad idea to challenge them).
That is why CC is determined by size and weight by the smallest gun.
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TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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Would You Trust Your Life With a .380?
Yes! / Not really!
Not really: Since in my experience even shotguns do not stop the threath immediately if the shotplacement isn't there.
This is according to my experience with oostrich hunting with an 20 ga round, 50 meter distance with an .575" round ball (shotgun used as rifle).
As well Shooting a cat with an roughly 200 ft/lbs 115 grain FMJ (9mm Federal Rimmed self made cases and rounds) did not kill it and after 3 weeks the animal showed up (this time very peacefully) again (shot it in the back leg and must have shattered some bones).
Yes: because it is more than nothing. And more than 22 LR, 25 Auto, 32 Auto. Waving with a gun in someones face may make him think twice to proceed with evil doings (most People here are not CC). If they are armed they have a knife.
It is meant to slow down the threath (if it does not stop it) to gain more time to get physical space between attacker and victim.
Disclaimer: I never shot a human being and can by no means or imagination determine what effect the 380 Auto bullet will do in a persons chest , groin-pelvis, leg or head.
It may be advised to shoot the attacker in the leg in order to not kill him (You sleep well with an clean concience) and that may slow him down as much as he can not follow you (while you as victim are fleeing the Scene) and therefore the threath is stopped.
As well I have been never shot myself so I by no means could tell.
Overall: the 380 Auto is an "get off of me" and "run" caliber. But it is ALLWAYS THERE FOR YOU.
Yes! / Not really!
Not really: Since in my experience even shotguns do not stop the threath immediately if the shotplacement isn't there.
This is according to my experience with oostrich hunting with an 20 ga round, 50 meter distance with an .575" round ball (shotgun used as rifle).
As well Shooting a cat with an roughly 200 ft/lbs 115 grain FMJ (9mm Federal Rimmed self made cases and rounds) did not kill it and after 3 weeks the animal showed up (this time very peacefully) again (shot it in the back leg and must have shattered some bones).
Yes: because it is more than nothing. And more than 22 LR, 25 Auto, 32 Auto. Waving with a gun in someones face may make him think twice to proceed with evil doings (most People here are not CC). If they are armed they have a knife.
It is meant to slow down the threath (if it does not stop it) to gain more time to get physical space between attacker and victim.
Disclaimer: I never shot a human being and can by no means or imagination determine what effect the 380 Auto bullet will do in a persons chest , groin-pelvis, leg or head.
It may be advised to shoot the attacker in the leg in order to not kill him (You sleep well with an clean concience) and that may slow him down as much as he can not follow you (while you as victim are fleeing the Scene) and therefore the threath is stopped.
As well I have been never shot myself so I by no means could tell.
Overall: the 380 Auto is an "get off of me" and "run" caliber. But it is ALLWAYS THERE FOR YOU.
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larryh1108
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agree
I was reading about bullets on the Missouri Bullet Company site.
They give the intended use for different .38 Special bullets, such as "For Cowboy Action Velocities," "For PPC Velocities," and "For Target Velocities."
For their .380 bullets it says, "For Secret Agents." That's good enough for me.
They give the intended use for different .38 Special bullets, such as "For Cowboy Action Velocities," "For PPC Velocities," and "For Target Velocities."
For their .380 bullets it says, "For Secret Agents." That's good enough for me.
TheGuyOfSouthamerica
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Indeed the 380 auto is a optimal Secret Service caliber. Considered the Mossad used 22 LR pistols (Beretta Bobcat as I understood) for their agents.
If it is good 'nough for the Secret Service it most certainly is goo' 'nough for me.
Secret Agent and CC has more in common than with Military or Police calibers and big weapons.
Shoot 'em up close with an 380 Auto and the critter is most likely dead. After that dont forget to run away in case something is still movin'.
If it is good 'nough for the Secret Service it most certainly is goo' 'nough for me.
Secret Agent and CC has more in common than with Military or Police calibers and big weapons.
Shoot 'em up close with an 380 Auto and the critter is most likely dead. After that dont forget to run away in case something is still movin'.
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