Would *you* sign this statement?

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

The most intelligent rock and roll song ever written. Folks like Trotsky and Danton would testify to that, if they were still alive.

WildbecarefulofwhatyouwishforitmaycometrueAlaska ™
 
U.S. tax rates rank among the lowest in the world.
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not representing my interest, or the interests of other taxpayers, has nothing to do with the rates. If all this tax money was going into huge infrastructure projects that would set us up as the world leader for the next 50 years I would be ok with it. Instead it is just going down the drain. Anyone notice highways have more potholes? Our telecom infrastructure is now behind many third world countries as they never invested in copper lines and leapfrogged us. Our electrical grid is plagued with brown outs. Our ports are insufficient for current demand. Many of our airports will be undersized if people ever have the money to fly again. Our railroads are in terrible shape.

But its ok, as long as we buy American from firms who are terribly inefficient and producing inferior goods all our problems will be solved.
 
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How does social security, medicare, department of housing and urban development, unemployment, and the host of other "suck from the teat" programs mitigate violence or corruption?
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As our Social Security Administration put it,
Germany's Chancellor, Otto von Bismarck ... was motivated to introduce social insurance in Germany both in order to promote the well-being of workers in order to keep the German economy operating at maximum efficiency, and to stave-off calls for more radical socialist alternatives. Despite his impeccable right-wing credentials, Bismarck would be called a socialist for introducing these programs, as would President Roosevelt 70 years later. In his own speech to the Reichstag during the 1881 debates, Bismarck would reply: "Call it socialism or whatever you like. It is the same to me."
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So there you have it. If we must have socialism for the bankers, we damn better have socialism for the bums. The middle class can take it in the shorts.
 
social security as originally proposed by Roosevelt and Bismark would not be a problem.

Our Social security is entirely invested in T-bills. All it is is a piggy bank for the government to get cheap loans from. Same goes for FDIC. Member banks pay money into a fund which buy non-liquid t-bills and there is nothing really there to back it. Both just Washington houses of card.

[removed as was off topic and aggressive.]

BTW in the last week I have had three people come to me with questions about firearms for home defense who were quite startled at feeling they needed one..
 
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Our Social security is entirely invested in T-bills. All it is a piggy bank for the government to get cheap loans from. Same goes for FDIC. Member banks pay money into a fund which buy non-liquid t-bills and there is nothing really there to back it. Both just Washington houses of card.
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Do you really need anyone to explain this? Here is one principle at work:
because it’s there! The famous mountaineer George Leigh Mallory (1886-1924), when asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everest, replied, ‘Because it’s there!’ Mallory failed to reach the top, and vanished in the attempt. Edmund (later Sir Edmund) Hillary became, in 1953, the first man to succeed, and when asked why he had wanted to try, also replied, ‘Because it was there!’ It could be argued that it was Hillary who re-popularised the phrase and promoted it from famous saying to c.p. (It is illuminating to compare the various dictionaries of quotations: and salutary to conclude that to dogmatise is to risk a ‘final verdict’.) But it only really became a c.p. when it was humorously or wryly advanced as ‘a foolish reason for a foolish act’, mostly among those who were conscious of the origin.
—Eric Partridge, Paul Beale, A Dictionary of Catch Phrases, Routledge, 1986, p. 44
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And here is another, even more pointed, albeit less authentic:
Willie SUTTON American bank robber (1901-80)
On being asked why he kept on robbing banks:
Because that’s where the money is.
Attributed remark. Philip French touched on this topic in The Observer (8 October 2000): There is a mysterious kind of movie title that is not explained in the film itself and demands some special knowledge. A Clockwork Orange, Straw Dogs and O Brother, Where Art Thou? are examples. The amiable Where the Money Is… belongs in this category. Nobody uses the phrase in the film and, surprisingly, it is not in any dictionary of quotations that I possess. But it is generally attributed to the legendary American criminal Willie Sutton, who spent most of his life in jail and the rest of it planning heists. Asked in old age why he persisted in robbing banks, Willie replied: ‘Because that’s where the money is’ and it is clear that Henry, the elderly thief played by Paul Newman, is modelled on Willie Sutton. As it happens, Sutton (who has been described as ‘The most publicized bank robber since Jesse James’) told CBS TV’s Sixty Minutes (8 August 1976) that, in fact, a reporter made it up and attributed it to him. His book I, Willie Sutton (1953) apparently does contain the observation: ‘It is a rather pleasant experience to be alone in a bank at night.’
Compare the similar-sounding proverbial sayings, ‘Marry for love, but love where there is money’ and ‘Never marry for money, but marry where money is.’ Tennyson’s dialect poem ‘Northern Farmer, New Style’ contains this dialect version:
But I knaw’d a Quaāker feller as often ‘as towd ma this:
‘Doānt thou marry for munny, but goā wheer munny is!’​
According to Quotations for Our Time, ed. Laurence J. Peter (1977), John F. Kennedy, when asked why he wanted to be President, replied: ‘Because that’s where the power is!’
—Nigel Rees, Brewer’s Famous Quotations: 5000 Quotations and the Stories Behind Them, Sterling, 2006, p. 450
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The determination of whether our government is acting in the capacity of famous mountaineers or infamous bank robbers is left as an exercise for the reader.
Now defend the others.
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I have no intention of defending anything:
Cum igitur animum ad Politicam applicuerim, nihil quod novum, vel inauditum est, sed tantum ea, quae cum praxi optime conveniunt, certa, et indubitata ratione demonstrare, aut ex ipsa humanae naturae conditione deducere, intendi; et ut ea, quae ad hanc scientiam spectant, eadem animi libertate, qua res Mathematicas solemus, inquirerem, sedulo curavi, humanas actiones non ridere, non lugere, neque detestari, sed intelligere: atque adeo humanos affectus, ut sunt amor, odium, ira, invidia, gloria, misericordia, et reliquae animi commotiones, non ut humanae naturae vitia, sed ut proprietates contemplatus sum, quae ad ipsam ita pertinent, ut ad naturam aeris aestus, frigus, tempestas, tonitru, et alia hujusmodi, quae, tametsi incommoda sunt, necessaria tamen sunt, certasque habent causas, per quas eorum naturam intelligere conamur, et Mens eorum vera contemplatione aeque gaudet, ac earum rerum cognitione, quae sensibus gratae sunt.

Therefore, on applying my mind to politics, I have resolved to demonstrate by a certain and undoubted course of argument, or to deduce from the very condition of human nature, not what is new and unheard of, but only such things as agree best with practice. And that I might investigate the subject-matter of this science with the same freedom of spirit as we generally use in mathematics, I have laboured carefully, not to mock, lament, or execrate, but to understand human actions; and to this end I have looked upon passions, such as love, hatred, anger, envy, ambition, pity, and the other perturbations of the mind, not in the light of vices of human nature, but as properties, just as pertinent to it, as are heat, cold, storm, thunder, and the like to the nature of the atmosphere, which phenomena, though inconvenient, are yet necessary, and have fixed causes, by means of which we endeavour to understand their nature, and the mind has just as much pleasure in viewing them aright, as in knowing such things as flatter the senses.
—Benedict Spinoza, Tractatus Politicus, Caput I, §IV, translated by A.H. Gosset
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Now, if you DID happen to sign Pax's Declaration... and you lived through the revolution(s) that followed, and had influence over the governmental structure to come about afterwards:

How would you feel about this?

We the Citizens of these United States come together to empower a government. Our stated goals are to provide for harmoneous and peaceful coexistence for member states of our Union, create standards of justice, enforce those standards with powers granted to the government, and provide for the common defense. To accomplish these goals, as well as to act as a defender of liberty for all generations to follow, we hereby present this article emobodying the government structure for these United States of America.
 
John,

Well, if we did start a revolution and then fast forwarded 100 years later I suspect we would be where we are now. I am too complacent to participate in a revolution anyway.;)
 
Tonight I made my decision. If the economy gets bad enough that I can no longer get canned whipped cream I am starting a revolution:) I could not live without the occasional upending of a reddiwhip can for a shot of whipped cream and the ensuing objections of the women in my life. Dear Mr. Obama, keep the Reddiwhip coming.

I am concerned no one noticed my attemt to improve communication as Bart Roberts suggested.

At least Obamas plan is to start massive infrastructure projects similar to TVA. It won't pull us out of the depression, but it might make things jump up even faster after world war three does. Bankrupting the country won't be for naught.

Holding my breath until the Chinese government starts seizing assets of US companies in China to cover our national debt. What the hell are we going to do about it? China has 8-12 solid fuel ICBMs. Start bending boys!!!
 
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I wanted to bring this back up. Anyone ready to sign who wasn't before?

I am still waiting for canned cool whip to be unavailable before i get my panties in a bunch.
 
Pax,
I did`nt even recognize your post as the Declaration of Independence until Antipitas post. I sure would like to sign it. :D
As I was reading the post though, I was thinking that, this is what is happening right now in our government. And we need to to exercise those rights now.
 
johnwilliamson ~

If they can take away your incandescent light bulbs and your high-pressure toilet, they can take your Reddiwhip...

;)

pax
 
So what's your opinion? Have we reached the tipping point yet? The OP was written before
  • Snowden and the NSA revelations
  • The IRS targeting scandal
  • The administration-created illegal alien flood problem
  • The President's avowed intention to bypass the will of Congress by executive order

How much is "enough"?
 
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