Would you shoot it?

Those animals at the zoo belong to someone and shooting them would be a crime
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Unless you had permission from the owner or I owned the petting zoo.

In my state baiting is totally illegal so so giving feed would be a crime
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Not in mine. But I guess the only relevant thing is, is baiting legal where ms 6852 lives since the deer in question is where he's at. But if baiting is illegal where he's at, if the deer is as tame as presented, wouldn't be much more then walking up to one of the cows and shooting it. Or much different if I'd had raised this buck from a youngin and he were used to me.
Hey, there's an idea...sell off the cows and start raising deer for market. Bet they'd load just as easy on the stock trailer come market time. Ya think?

Comparing criminal activity to non-criminal activity is not very apt.
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See how easy everything became legal. :p

Still not the obvious point I was making. I am simply saying, I would get more enjoyment watching this almost tamed deer(as I'm sure other townspeople do) then shooting/eating it. I'd rather eat a nice doe anyways.

FWIW, I'm not saying what others should do and not trying to convince others of my thoughts. I'm saying what I would do and have my own reasons for it.
 
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Frakenmauser, you'd grind those antlers? Come on mate
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I honestly don't care about antlers or horns. From a dinner table perspective, I'd rather not have them at all. Does/cows/fawns/calves are more tender and taste better.

I have a 6x6 elk rack sitting in my brother's garage, only because my wife wants it mounted. If she hadn't wanted to mount it, I would have cut it up for projects or sold it by now. When I look at antlers, I see tools, knife handles, handgun grips, Atlatl spurs, stock inlays, slingshots (;)), etc.; and scrap that can be saved for bone meal.
 
Most pet deer I ever seen had some Orange on it. A ribbon or spray painted. In this situation if the towns people really wanted to protect such a pet animal {as seen.} You would think they would find a way to {mark it} in hopes to protect (their) deer anyplace it wanders off too. If it isn't marked. That antlered pet may end up in someone sights during deer season. After all {as seen} it is a trophy in a Plain Jane wrapper.

BTW is it legal to shoot down a Rail Road Right of Way Bed?
 
Art said:
What does a hang-around buck have to do with eating deer meat?

I like just sitting and watching wild critters. It's as enjoyable for me as going to a museum or watching a sporting event of some sort.

Since the world is full of deer who do the hide-or-run thing, having a volunteer to show up and be looked at seems like a neat thing. So why shoot him and wipe out the enjoyment? And not just for me, but for others as well? I dunno. I like seeing folks smiling a lot more than I like seeing boredom or frowns.

Personally, I see shooting that particular buck in the described circumstance as the shooter's having an attitude of, "Ha, ha, ha, I sure rained on your parade!"

Lord knows I love hunting, and deer meat is yummy-tasty. But this particular situation? 'Scuse me, this old redneck will pass that deal.
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Thanks Art...

That says it a lot better than I did.

Seems those who want so badly to shoot a "friendly" critter have a pretty narrow viewpoint on themselves and others. ;)
 
Seems those who want so badly to shoot a "friendly" critter have a pretty narrow viewpoint on themselves and others.
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Or, more likely, it's the fact that deer season comes once a year and most hunters like to eat venison. In the right setting, it would be hard to pass up a buck like that. It's funny, if someone disagrees with you it's because they "have a pretty narrow viewpoint on themselves and others" instead of the fact that that they just see things differently than you. Why is it that people with opposing view points are selfish, or they don't care about other people instead of maybe, they don't get a chance at a deer like that very often? Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to hunt every year (work) or to have a good place to hunt. "Friendly" or not, it's still a wild animal, not a "pet" as some folks keep saying. No one owns it. Just because people are "attached" to it doesn't make it theirs.
 
skoro said:
Seems those who want so badly to shoot a "friendly" critter have a pretty narrow viewpoint on themselves and others.
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You've got to be kidding me.

Side A says "It's not an ethical issue. Each hunter should do whatever they want that's legal."

Side B says "I don't want to shoot it and no one else should either."

and it's Side A that has a NARROW VIEW?!:eek:
 
this is something of a joke.

A large portion of the respondents would aparently stop hunting if i ran up to them, if they were about to shoot the world classest trophy red stag that they waited in line 20 years to get the tag for, and paid 25,000 dollars for the trip and the permits, etc simply because i ran up and said "mr, thats my PET i like looking at him on a webcam"


its nice to look at, it looks nice and tender. But the thing is its meat. Lets understand that.

sure if its in city limits its illegal to hunt. But if it wanders out, and sees a nice carrot on the end of a string tied to thme muzzle of a rifle you were holding....soo beee it.

ITS

FOOOD
 
Originally posted by MJN77:

"Friendly" or not, it's still a wild animal, not a "pet" as some folks keep saying.
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In the scenario presented to us by the OP, the deer in question IS the town's pet. We have been informed of this, thus a simple deduction means that intentionally killing it while being aware of this will make a very good number of folks upset. My argument since the first post has been, we as hunters do not need the negative image this would impact upon us, especially considering the fact that shooting it, in THIS scenario, is not a hunt. In the majority of states, even where baiting is illegal, feeding wildlife is not a crime and is considered by many to be beneficial. Believe it or not, more folks in the lower 48 enjoy watching wildlife than hunting. Hunters are in the minority and are allowed by the majority to hunt because they tolerate us and most realize we are doing what they don't want to.

Why is it that people with opposing view points are selfish, or they don't care about other people instead of maybe, they don't get a chance at a deer like that very often?
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The total disregard of the facts presented to us in the OP and the attitude that the 60 pounds of easy, tasty venison is worth more to someone, than creating a negative image of hunters to a large group of folks, many who are probably hunters themselves, shows a degree of selfishness and not caring about other folks also. It certainly goes both ways. The statement about not getting a chance at a deer like that very often is a testament to why so many big bucks get shot illegally. Funny how a big rack can cloud judgement.

The argument here for shooting the deer, is that if it is legal, it is fair game. No one can argue with what is legal, that is generally spelled out in black and white in the regulations. What is fair and or right seems to be where the discussion starts. Finding a hunting partner/partners that have similar hunting skills and ethics is as hard as finding motorcycling companions with the same riding skills and priorities. This is because in both cases they vary so much. I have not told anyone they can't shoot the deer in question if it's legal to do so. I'm just saying in the scenario and facts presented to us, in my humble opinion, the negatives of doing so greatly outweigh the positives. In other scenarios, I may or may not have a different opinion.
 
Side B says "I don't want to shoot it and no one else should either."
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Nonsense, it's your business if you want to shoot it. Some of us have simply stated that we would not and why. The reasons that you and other may have to shoot the deer I just don't have.
 
ChasingWhitetail91, all I've tried to do is explain and then amplify my reasons for my viewpoint. And I've tried to limit the scenario to that of the opening post, in the specified situation. I fail to see how any of that is off-topic.
 
In the scenario presented to us by the OP, the deer in question IS the town's pet.
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It is not a pet. It wasn't raised in a barn on a bottle. It wasn't bought at a pet store. It is a WILD ANIMAL. It is not a sacred calf. Just because people take a shine to a wild animal doesn't mean it belongs to them. If you're really that scared about what anti-hunters say, why do you hunt at all? If I was afraid that everything I do is going to make someone mad I wouldn't do half the things that I do. Can't hunt it sets the hippies off. Can't own a gun, the news will say EVEN MORE bad stuff about me. The "anti" crowd hates us no matter what we do. A hunter could save thirty children from a burning building and the media will still say how bad of a person he is because he owns guns and shoots bambi. It's funny how worked up some people get in a conversation about a deer they have and will never see in a town they don't live in. I guess some people just need to feel morally superior.:rolleyes:
 
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ChasingWhitetail91, all I've tried to do is explain and then amplify my reasons for my viewpoint. And I've tried to limit the scenario to that of the opening post, in the specified situation. I fail to see how any of that is off-topic.
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He wasn't talking about you, he was talking to you about BP. I think this is a conversation that should be had and is well within the topic though.

Hunters are in the minority and are allowed by the majority to hunt because they tolerate us and most realize we are doing what they don't want to.
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Where I live hunters are either in the majority or run everything that matters.

When that deer becomes "a problem deer" Are they going to then turn around and hire someone to kill it?
 
When that deer becomes "a problem deer" Are they going to then turn around and hire someone to kill it?
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IF(not When) that deer becomes "a problem deer" of intolerable proportions then I'd either call the game warden to have it relocated away from civilization so it would regain its more wild instincts and if the warden would not do that then I'd shoot it with no second thoughts.

If I wasn't so lazy when it comes to learning computer skills, I would learn to download a vid off my camcorder of a small doe that came in my brothers yard and disrupted our family reunion softball game. I filmed the family, especially the small children and G-kids petting this doe like the family pet. You may not believe this but my brother has got pics. of this doe walking home with his kids from the bus stop. None of the neighbors knew where this doe came from as it just appeared and wouldn't leave the area. A call to ODNR was made and they had no knowledge of a family adopted deer that was turned loose in the area.
Some states, such as Ohio have these adoption programs and when the deer gets so old, the deer has to be turned loose. We have neighbors that are a part of this program.

Maybe this buck was raised as a fawn by a family due to its mom being killed at a very young age. Who knows.
 
When that deer becomes "a problem deer" Are they going to then turn around and hire someone to kill it?
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You might be surprised what happens to nuisance deer, across the country. In some areas, they get killed. In other areas, they get relocated. In other areas, they get sent to zoos or game ranches. And in a few places, you can adopt them as pets. Most places use more than one of the options, depending on the situation.

Utah, for example, has done all of the above, except for pet adoption, in the last 40 years. They routinely capture nuisance deer and antelope, force them into a small herd (6-12 animals), and then trade with Wyoming or New Mexico for deer or more antelope, to add some genetic diversity to some of the geographically isolated herds.

But, deer that aren't good candidates for a trade? Nope. Most of them are given one chance at relocation (if they aren't shot). If that doesn't work, they're shot, sold to small zoos, or sold to (out of state) game ranches. If there's an entire herd causing problems, they might offer special tags and a special season to let hunters help eliminate the problem.

And, sometimes, things get a bit ridiculous....
Utah currently has a herd of about 75 deer causing problems on a golf course frequented by rich, well-connected persons. Compounding the problem, is the fact that the public land bordering the golf course is closed to hunting. To solve the problem, the DWR issued special deer tags specifically for that location. The goal is to eliminate all deer "on the wrong side of the highway". But whatever deer are left in the area after January 1st are not going to be relocated, because it would be too expensive. The state is going to send in the wardens to shoot them all. :rolleyes: And when they're done there, there's a herd of 90 antelope farther south in the state, that are "on the wrong side of the mountain". Every last one of them will be shot where they stand, and left to rot. :(
 
A hand-raised pet buck can be--and several have been--a dangerous problem. Pet does, however, are generally less trouble than a pet goat. :D
 
A hand-raised pet buck can be--and several have been--a dangerous problem
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Yep...same as a bull raised from a calf can mature into an ornery critter that a p-elm club can't straighten out. Then ya gotta make a move to get rid of him before he hurts something. Either use him for tradin stock or turn em' into burger.

The neighbor ended a very frisky angus bulls career a couple summers ago when the bull over-stepped its bounds one to many times and attacked the tractor. Neighbor on the tractor. That bull was born and raised right there on the farm having been hand fed many times by the G-kids when younger. Older he got the nastier he got.

He chased me a couple times when I was turkey hunting the same spring time prior to meeting his demise. Just had to keep a keen eye out for him as you were sneakin in before daylight. ;)

Funny thing, neighbor kept a bull calf offspring of the late 'Mr Nasty' that is just as gentle as they come.

Sooo...enjoy the 'pet buck' but if he starts to present a problem, best advice is to deal with it quickly in one of the prior suggested methods.

Pet does, however, are generally less trouble than a pet goat
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Is this the reason the 'other half ' always calls me 'an old goat' :confused:
 
Brian Pfleuger said:
You've got to be kidding me.

Side A says "It's not an ethical issue. Each hunter should do whatever they want that's legal."

Side B says "I don't want to shoot it and no one else should either."

and it's Side A that has a NARROW VIEW?!
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No, I'm not kidding, Brian.

Seems to me that hunters probably have lots of decent bucks to harvest. Shooting that one just because it's so easily available and not spooked by human presence does seem short-sighted when it's been stated that it's the "town's deer."

Here' the OP...

ms6852 said:
Would you shoot it?

This seems to be the towns family pet. It seems to know Texas law and when hunting season starts. It mainly feeds withing the city limits and on the side roads.
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Why can't a hunter hunt up another one?

Why create ill will with the town folk unnecessarily?

I've personally witnessed the reaction of folks upset when "their" bull elk was shot at dawn the year before last. Some folks who lived nearby heard the shot, came to investigate and were pretty unhappy, to put it mildly. The sheriff dispatched a deputy who advised the hunter (he did have a license) to take the road heading away from town ASAP in order to avoid more trouble with the locals. This is in a very rural area with lots of gun-totin' people who aren't PETA members by any stretch. It's ranch country. But they took this very personally.

There are lots of deer these days. Letting that one go and finding another doesn't mean your freezer will be empty all winter.

But it's a judgement call. This thread is presenting both sides. I don't expect to persuade anyone to give up their viewpoint.
 
actually due to APR that comes in effect next year, that would me the smallest thing hornwise i can shoot. So i WOULD be required to shoot it.
 
I've personally witnessed the reaction of folks upset when "their" bull elk was shot at dawn the year before last. Some folks who lived nearby heard the shot, came to investigate and were pretty unhappy, to put it mildly. The sheriff dispatched a deputy who advised the hunter (he did have a license) to take the road heading away from town ASAP in order to avoid more trouble with the locals. This is in a very rural area with lots of gun-totin' people who aren't PETA members by any stretch. It's ranch country. But they took this very personally.
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I suspect there have already been plenty of hunters who have passed on the deer in question. If the locals have decided to give him a pass I can see where they might get perturbed at some passerby making a chip shot.
 
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