Would you give up your guns?

Sure, I'd give them up. But first I'd have to make sure they're in a safe condition to be handled - and give them the bullets. I'd keep the brass, it can be reused.
 
I realize that there were people that were unable to evacuate New Orleans when the order was given, there were a lot of FOOLS that merely ignored the evacuation order. Of course, the Mayor and Chief of Police of NO weren't part of the "solution", and I figure that they are the ones to blame for having issued an UNLAWFUL ORDER!

If I had been in NO before Hurricane Katrina struck, I would have "bugged out" when the evacuation order was given....especially since the strength of the levee's was "questionable". The least I would have done would have been to get most of my valuables (including firearms) to a safe, high ground spot.

"A man's got to do what a man's got to do!" is an old slogan that I often use. In case I had stayed in NO, and the police came a-lookin' for my guns, I would have put up a fuss that would be believable. "Officer, there were some other officers already here for my guns, and they just took them away without giving me any receipt! What are YOU going to take away from me, since I no longer have my guns? How can I get a receipt for the guns that were taken? Can you get the names and badge numbers of those other officers who were here?" I don't know if it would work, but...."A man's got to do what a man's got to do!"
 
I wouldn't have followed the order when I was in for starters, but if they came to get my guns I'd probably just hide them extremely well. Unless it comes to the point of a full nation gun ban where they try to seize everything permanently and that whole nightmare scenario I don't really wanna shoot any LEO's or my former brothers in green. Whoever gave that order is a fool though.
 
You can't seriously think you would survive. You would not stand a chance.
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There comes a time when a man's life is worth less than his honor and principles. That is the time when a man takes necessary action, knowing that there is no chance to survive. Are there no principles and beliefs for which you are willing to die?

Pops
 
As a peace officer if I was given the order to confiscate guns I would tell my supervisor yes sir then go around asking if residents had any guns they WANTED to give up. I would accept any offerings given but other than that it would be the most unproductive search you have ever seen. That is a clear violation of the right to have and bear arms. I served in the Marines to defend our rights. No way I am going to violate them. If someone wanted to make a donation to satisfy my supervisor then that is the gun owners call. I WOULD NOT demand US Citizens to give up their guns. If I was forced to demand them I would have no choice but to refuse.

I would not give up MY guns. No way. Some things are worth fighting for. That is tyrany.

I agree that the persons coming to my door would find themselves disarmed.

A Japanese commander once said that it would be impossible to invade main land USA. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
 
Standing up for your rights, committing suicide, and living to fight another day are three totally different things. Me thinks long term storage of a select few pieces, (somewhere under the garden?) is a much better option than confronting an Infantry unit. I've supported an Infantry brigade on excercises, I'm not going to do anything to place myself in their path. Think about Iraq. It took us what, two weeks to run them over? My point is, there's still people fighting back there, and those aren't the ones who stood up and said "shoot me" in the first two weeks. Before you go organizing your neiborhood (wich is great, don't get me wrong) download some of the footage from the first days of the war. My personal favorite is the one where the Apache is mowing down the guys by the truck. And seriously consider what you could be up against. We have the fittest, best trained, best equipped, and most advanced military in the world. Hopefully we'll never be ordered to do anything like this. Anyone of not signifigant rank refusing an order in this situation would probably be incarcerated or shot. Even now they highly discourage speaking out against the administration. So my advice is smile, hand over your flintlocks, wish them a "good day", dig up your evil black rifle and mark II, and head for the hills. Or, you could just vote a lot.
 
What some of you are saying is highly unlikely to happen.

The military is not going to use helos and tanks with missiles and stuff to take out US Citizens. The US would turn into a 3rd world country pretty quick due to the outrage that the rest of the population will show. There would eventually be rebel factions poping up all over the US and attacking anything associated with government. All hell would break loose.
 
So what some of you guys are saying is: that IF the US government, by OUR duly elected representatives, passes a law that requires guns to be confiscated, and in the further event that the Supreme Court of the United States upholds that law as constituional, ya'll are gonna substitute your own judgement and start shooting?

I dont know what scares me more, the idea that the government would do such a thing or the fact that there are those out there who beleive they are above the law.

One doesnt get to pick and chose you know.

WilddamnediftheydoanddamnediftheydontAlaska
 
The More of Us Resist, the Better

It's true that one of us would probably stand no chance, even against 3-4 leo's or national guardsmen.

But if every man who had access to arms fought, the order would get itself revisited, quickly.
 
I love these threads. As I learned from my old buddy Vito "The Lurch" Pastafagiole:

"The serious ones dont talk about it"

WildfriendofmineAlaska
 
Not only no, but (&^%(*&^ hell no!

Not only would I not give up my guns, I sure as heck wouldn't give up my HOME either if I didn't want to. Forcing people to do EITHER is equally un-American. You'll note that in the end, they did not force them to leave, but DID force them to give up guns in clear violation of the second amendment. I honestly think there would have been several national guardsmens who would have died had they tried to invade my home to disarm me. Of course, I would have died too, but 8 or 10 of them would be taking the dirt nap with me. It probably would never have come to that, because I simply wouldn't answer my door - notice that they are knocking. Presumably if no one answers they keep going to the next house. Now they did say that they went into some empty houses that were "open", but if you leave your door closed, then I doubt they'd enter. But I dunno. Some ugly shiz would go down however if they said gimme your gun. And NEXT time, now we KNOW what the .gov is gonna do, so I'd be prepared with a fortified defensive position. I am so totally ashamed that it was members of MY state's national guard doing this, no less. :(
 
Well, that certainly makes all those statements from people in various services who say "I would never follow orders to confiscate civilian guns" rather questionable.

In before the chest-thumping.. ;)
 
Reality - ever heard of it?

I really can't decide which thread subject matter makes me wonder what in the hell some folks have to do around here to get a rise out of some of the members.

For example; STHF threads, Gun grabs by our local & federal JBT, or the ever present how much gun for mutant bears?

What do all these subjects have in common? The possibility of it happening in my or your lifetime is = nill.

Was it not the owner of this place wanting to raise the bar, how does this type of material further that endeavor? [Other than allowing alot of Chest thumping and posturing by some around here].


12-34hom.
 
A few lengths of PVC, end caps, plumber's cement, a shovel, and a midnight trip to the garden.

"No, sir. Can't say there are any guns in this house. My boy has a Daisy BB-gun though. Ya want it? Have a nice day."
 
What do all these subjects have in common? The possibility of it happening in my or your lifetime is = nill.
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Sir, perhaps you should watch the video and re-evaluate. Not only is what we are discussing possible, it happened and I provided a VIDEO RECORDING of it. Maybe the conspiracy theorists faked the video?

I don't remember any mutant bear discussion, can you provide a link to that thread? I would agree that's not to likely, getting attacked by a real bear, however, can and DOES happen.

As far as "SHTF" threads, are you saying the chances of law and order breaking down in the event of a large scale natural disaster are "nil"? Where have you been living?
 
WildcutesloganofthehourAlaska said:
One doesnt (sic) get to pick and chose (sic) you know.
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Yes, by God, one does get to choose. One may be prepared, or not. One may get to stand, or not. But one ALWAYS gets to choose in the end.

Many of us, at different times in our lives, have chosen how we are willing to go out of this world. Events may spare you, even though your commitment is genuine. That video is pretty depressing and goes to show that not only is the probability not nil, but the mindset is in place, right here at home. Europe is here.

Consider: it is an especially fortunate human that gets to choose where and when to meet their maker and chooses to do so with honor. The first is not always a choice, but the second is ... always.

Are you willing to die for a principle that distinguishes you as human? Some here discuss this in terms of hardware capability and magazine capacity. Some know better. It's a matter of choice and of will. They trump hardware more often than not. It's not a matter of win or lose. It is HOW you play.

What is your responsibility and to whom does it lie? To those that depend on you for their quality of life, or to the principles that make it possible for you to affect that quality of life?

Will you be one who feeds the dragon, in the belief that you will escape what he brings, when in truth he will only consume you last?

Pretty good imitation of a Chinese philosopher, huh? Truly, I do not know if I have the will to make the choice I know is right and honorable, because I have weaknesses and loyalties like all of us and others depend on me. That's why we it will power.

Now off to L&P with this one.
 
+1 Blackwater

What do all these subjects have in common? The possibility of it happening in my or your lifetime is = nill.
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I'm with Blackwater on this one. Maybe up in the Northeast you don't have natural disasters, maybe they wouldn't confiscate guns, I can't say because I don't live there. But, on the Gulf Coast we have natural disasters every year and last year they decided it was a good idea to confiscate guns. So, IMHO the threads is valid.
Now about those mutant bears................should I use 44 mag or 454casull?
 
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