Would you be a minute man?
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UH1-D Rotorhead
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Juan Carlos....would that word be xenophobia? For me, minutemen serve no country but themselves. If you want to serve your country, join the military or get a federal job dedicated to the war on terrorism...undocumented human beings crossing the border are no threat to me...terrorists and vigilantes are.
JuanCarlos
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Not really. His hesitance to allow more immigration isn't particularly irrational...nor is it based on fear of foreigners as foreigners. It's economic. And while the economic argument is often used as a cover for people who simply don't like Mexicans, I don't think that's the case here.
Protectionism, maybe?
What if those undocumented human beings are terrorists?
And while it may be true that the Border Patrol is always hiring, people willing to volunteer their time are saving the government a ton of money by doing so. I see no problem there. As far as "vigilantes" goes, these folks really aren't much different than a neighborhood watch. Most of what they do is simply reporting, not trying to take down the illegals themselves. They're armed because they're sometimes out a ways from "civilization" and dealing with people whose intentions may not be known. Seems reasonable.
Out of curiosity, how many cases have there been of abuse by these people? I've heard of a couple (making IAs caught hold up t-shirts, for instance), and I'm sure there's been some verbal abuse of IAs...but from everything I've read it sounds like the whole thing is pretty civil.
BTW I'm not looking for assurances that there have been no cases of abuse from pro-Minutemen individuals...obviously you're not going to go out of your way to look for them.
Let the people who oppose the organization see what they can dig up.jakeswensonmt
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Hell yes I would be proud to be a Minuteman!
And if they ever start coming over the border from Canada, I will...
And if they ever start coming over the border from Canada, I will...
I'm too old for anything like that. I'll have to leave it to you young fellas. But by the way, I am descended from illegal immigrants, sort of. None of them went through Ellis Island and none of them had papers, I'm sure. So I have to excuse myself on the basis of disqualification.
I will note, however, that all the arguments against immigration have been the same since the Irish started to arrive before the Civil War and mostly they have been valid reasons. Immigration, legal or otherwise, does tend to keep wages down. There was also a movement to make German an official language because of the large numbers of German speakers in the country but WWI pretty much put an end to that idea.
Actually, there can't be many left south of the borders, from what I can tell.
I will note, however, that all the arguments against immigration have been the same since the Irish started to arrive before the Civil War and mostly they have been valid reasons. Immigration, legal or otherwise, does tend to keep wages down. There was also a movement to make German an official language because of the large numbers of German speakers in the country but WWI pretty much put an end to that idea.
Actually, there can't be many left south of the borders, from what I can tell.
***It seems to me that the powers that be don't want to prevent people from coming over the border in droves, or they surely would erect a real barrier to keep them out. Businesses are profiting from the cheap labor, obviously, and business interests reign supreme in America, esp. now. All the very visible security at airports must be mainly for show, when anyone can just slip over the southern border with absolutely no vetting.
One simple thing the US government could do to reduce illegal immigration would be to eliminate the automatic citizenship for babies born in the US to non-citizen parents. There is no justification I can see for this nowdays, if there ever was a sensible reason.
On the original question, I couldn't be a minuteman, but I could be a minutewoman, and I'd certainly consider it if it was legal and could do some good. But what's the point of being armed when its forbidden to shoot even drug carrying illegals coming over the border?
I somewhat agree with you but I think the process should be done in reverse order. It makes no sense to overhaul immigration policies if the border remains as open as it is. You could create an amnesty program or whatever might be done to deal with the situation but it would be useless without additional border security. If it takes another year to implement increased border security you will already have half a million people in the country that need to be dealt with. You will never solve the problem that way. You have to stop the problem from getting bigger before you can fix it.
I was just reading that remittances are now the 2nd largest source of foreign income for Mexico. That really shows how big of a problem this has become and that people really need to wake up. Most of these remittances come from the US. The Mexican government recently updated its matricula consular so that illegal immigrant's in the US can also send funds to Mexico. Altogether about $18 billion is sent annually to Mexico in remittances. I'm not against people sending money to relatives but being the 2nd largest foreign source of income is ludicrous. The US economy is hauling Mexico's.
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I was just reading that remittances are now the 2nd largest source of foreign income for Mexico. That really shows how big of a problem this has become and that people really need to wake up. Most of these remittances come from the US. The Mexican government recently updated its matricula consular so that illegal immigrant's in the US can also send funds to Mexico. Altogether about $18 billion is sent annually to Mexico in remittances. I'm not against people sending money to relatives but being the 2nd largest foreign source of income is ludicrous. The US economy is hauling Mexico's.
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UH1-D Rotorhead
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The only value I see in having volunteer vigilantes on the border would be to intercept drug runners...otherwise, let the pro's from Dover handle the immigration issue...America is all about immigrants, and I find it to be the height of bad taste and decorum to have anglo commando wannabees trying to change the direction that America has always been on...a land of immigrants. Give it a rest already.
UH1-D Rotorhead
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You are right...I don't know. Show me a massive rally of Hispanics, Afro-Americans, and Asians protesting against so called "illegals", and I'll eat my hat.
DonR101395
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Just because they aren't protesting illegal immigration makes illegal immigration ok
Mexico has laws on how many and what kind of immigrants can enter their country legally. I don't think that means they have anything against me personally as a white Anglo-Celtic protestant, it just means that they want to keep Mexico, Mexico. Understandable and it makes sense.
Why should Americans feel any different? It's not just economics but people just naturally want to preserve their cultural identity. This is true of all countries in the world. There is nothing wrong or evil about this.
And why did you bring race into this?
The original post was, do you want to be a minute man? There are a lot of Tejanos and other latin families that have roots in America going back 100 years or more that are against illegal aliens. In some ways they are as different as Cajun French are to Paris French and are more American than Mexican
The latin people of South Texas are a different class of people than a lot of the sewage that seeps across the border. South Texas starts resembling Mexico more than South Texas.
UH1-D Rotorhead
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Funny thing is that I did not bring up race....other's may have..this is a human issue...not a racial/ethno/cultural issue...America is a counry of immigrants....Mexico preserves their cultural identity with their laws...America's "cultural" identity is diverse, and ever changing...that is what makes America different.
yes you did
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no, it is not. It may be diverse in terms of regions which may be countries in and of themselves (North, South, Mountain states, West, Hawaii), but it is land with particular people and culture. Mexico has the same thing. People in Northern Mexico are much different than people in the Yucatan end of Mexico
America is not an abstract idea. Get off your soap box. You're giving me the creeps with all this fanatical screaming. You're saying that those who have had a culture and people here for generations don't have a right to our heritage and laws.
As Historian Prof. Clyde Wilson has said, "People don't live on idea's, they live on land."
UH1-D Rotorhead
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Scary, isn't it? all this "screaming" over humans that don't look like you? So sad to be someone like you.
BTW, Clyde Wilson is a neo-confederate...not the kind of neighbor I want next door to me.
BTW, Clyde Wilson is a neo-confederate...not the kind of neighbor I want next door to me.
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