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More stats WITH links this time.
Will anyone come forward now with any pro-ILLEGAL alien views, or just lame jokes because you haven't any argument?
Even if this gets closed, the stats are well worth noting.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/iofcjs00.htm
The number of defendants prosecuted for an immigration offense rose from 6,605 in 1996 to 15,613 in 2000.
Average time to be served by immigration offenders entering Federal prison increased from about 4 months in 1986 to 21 months in 2000.
57% of suspected immigration offenders were Mexican citizens; 7%, U.S. citizens; 3%, Chinese; and 28%, all other nationalities.
08/02 NCJ
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http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9c
Criminal aliens—non-citizens who commit crimes—are a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.2 These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone.
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http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald04-13-05.htm
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens.
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http://capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article25
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
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So which is it, 95% of outstanding homicide warrants or 95% of all homicide warrants in LA are for illegal aliens.Your sources can't even agree. Spiffy! It's almost like you are using blogs as sources that don't even source their own numbers.

As for numbers of illegal aliens in prison, that has nothing to do with whether illegal aliens as a whole add up to a net benefit.

Your question is hollow, your sources are conflicting and suspect, and again the question must be asked: What are you proposing to do?

If the solution for a wart cost $10,000, it means that lots of people find a way to live with warts. That doesn't imply that warts have any benefit.
 
illegal aliens?!

Look at your skin. Is it white? If it isn't red...you're an alien, this isn't your country.
 
What difference does it make sec.

NET BENEFIT!?:barf:



Did you investigate his sources before passing judgement or did you just throw your reply out there "HALF COCKED"?
 
Did you investigate his sources before passing judgement or did you just throw your reply out there "HALF COCKED"?
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I went to the sources, of course. And THEY didn't cite where the numbers came from.

Of course, you would know that if you have visited the links yourself.
 
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
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Funny around here they blame the snow birds for all the accidents, at least they have insurance.
Its amazing how many people refuse to take the blinders off.

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Well, did you ask to speak to an FBI supervisor to find out where the FBI gathered those statistics, or just decide they must be false on your own without inquiring further?
 
illegal aliens?!

Look at your skin. Is it white? If it isn't red...you're an alien, this isn't your country.
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Illegal alien has nothing to do with skin color it is a legal status.
 
I also wonder sec. if those citizens who were burglarized, victimized by gangs, had there car stolen or damaged by an illegal without insurance also see that NET BENEFIT you speak of.;)
 
OK then.

I'm gonna let this one ride for a bit. No slinging ad hominems or I start throwing the lot of you out the door... In other words, play nice or don't play at all.

DasBoot, the onus is on you. What do you propose to solve the apparent problem?

Those of you that don't like those facts/statistics, refute them by other facts or stats. Show the net benefit.
 
SecDef>> I'm not sure where you live, so it's not easy to assume your contact (or lack there-of) with the issue. As for myself, I've seen enough of exactly what is being discussed to know the numbers aren't a complete fabrication--It's very much like a spreading plague, with no exageration. From your stance, are you playing devil's advocate, denying the problem may exist, or outright defending the outragious influx of illegal immigration that many of us are forced to live with on a daily basis?
 
From your stance, are you playing devil's advocate, denying the problem may exist, or outright defending the outrageous influx of illegal immigration that many of us are forced to live with on a daily basis?
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I agree. I have lived in areas (California & Texas) with high illegal influx and the problem does exist. Here is an example story of what is happening in our cities today...no longer just a south west problem.

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070331/NEWS02/703310354/1023/NEWS07

I don't mean this one story tells all. But remember just two or three years ago you were not reading about this kind of problem. This will continue to get worse. So will hospitals going out of business because they cannot sustain the load of paying for free medical care to illegals. Lots of documentation on hospitals going out of business if needed. The count is around 84 closed in the last few years in California alone.

BTW, I worked in Mexico many years. The crime here sounds familiar. Just another export to our country.
 
Well, did you ask to speak to an FBI supervisor to find out where the FBI gathered those statistics, or just decide they must be false on your own without inquiring further?
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If the statistics came from the FBI, just post a link! There was an obvious discrepancy that I pointed out which I asked to get clarification on. I followed the links, and all I got were "according to" but without reference.

I also wonder sec. if those citizens who were burglarized, victimized by gangs, had there car stolen or damaged by an illegal without insurance also see that NET BENEFIT you speak of.
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I didn't speak of it. I know that a lot of stuff is stolen by legal americans too, so quote a number doesn't help me unless there is context provided.

SecDef>> I'm not sure where you live, so it's not easy to assume your contact (or lack there-of) with the issue. As for myself, I've seen enough of exactly what is being discussed to know the numbers aren't a complete fabrication--It's very much like a spreading plague, with no exageration. From your stance, are you playing devil's advocate, denying the problem may exist, or outright defending the outragious influx of illegal immigration that many of us are forced to live with on a daily basis?
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I live within 35 miles of the border. I am in a position to have an opinion, if that is what you are getting at, though I don't think it is any better of a position than any other American that pays taxes.

My stance is that without a course of action, with known costs, how can you determine whether that course of action is appropriate? Is $10B or $100B a year a lot for California (who has 20% of the population of the US) too much to pay? There are cases where white collar crimes steal millions of dollars at a time, and these numbers put those crimes equal to stealing a bicycle. My stance is that people complaining about paying for benefits should realize that these benefits in some cases makes a huge difference, and you don't throw out the whole thing just because it is broken... you fix it.

I also feel that if you are going to post a thread, you could at least participate in the thread and provide sources that can be VERIFIED. This particular case is like lobbing a grenade and running away, coming back later to see the damage.
 
I live within 35 miles of the border. I am in a position to have an opinion, if that is what you are getting at, though I don't think it is any better of a position than any other American that pays taxes....
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OK, well that was exactly why I was asking. The explanation puts things into a better perspective. Without the explanation, it could be mistaken as otherwise.

As for varifiable sources--the ones I checked were within reasonable numbers to the ones I checked against other sites and sources--same thing most anyone could check in a few minutes of online searching. As a general whole, it's still a huge problem, regardless of whether one site agrees with another within 1% of a figure. Numbers say a lot to people, and I think that was part of the point here. It's easy to say "crime went up by 5%". But when there is an actual number attached to the figures... Well, it starts taking on a little more weight--especially when you get to see exactly what those numbers are talking about on an all-too-regular basis.

As for solutions? I'd have to say the solution starts with our representatives---the next one that pipes up with amnesty ideas, social security benefits, or anything else geared towards making the lives of illegal immigrants even easier gets stripped from office, stripped of benefits, stripped of pension, etc. It's funny how more and more there's a growing public voice from CITIZENS for the gov't to take the matter seriously--but we aren't getting heard for the sake of "political correctness". In the mean time, our own rights get trampled, our property stolen or destroyed, our families threatened, our tax dollars wasted (not like that's a new occurance), and what benefits we DO have are dwindling fast.
 
So which is it, 95% of outstanding homicide warrants or 95% of all homicide warrants in LA are for illegal aliens.
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While the language could have been more plain they are clearly referring to the same thing.

As for numbers of illegal aliens in prison, that has nothing to do with whether illegal aliens as a whole add up to a net benefit.
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I just don't even know where to start... Of course the number of jailed felons among this group of 100% criminals(by definition) matters. Meanwhile, there can be no "net benefit" from an unregulated mass of law breakers from another country.

Your question is hollow, your sources are conflicting and suspect, and again the question must be asked: What are you proposing to do?
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Rhetoric. But, what to do? Jail every employer who hires/pays an illegal alien. Make it too expensive to utilize them. THEN, extend them no government bennies. No jobs, no freebies, no more problem(or at least no problem that we can't live with).

If the solution for a wart cost $10,000, it means that lots of people find a way to live with warts. That doesn't imply that warts have any benefit.
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Uhhh...alrighty then...
 
I don't know if I buy all of those numbers, but I bet this one is accurate:
7% of the people detained for suspected immigration issues are US citizens.

That stinks for those folks. Don't go to work without your papers, Jose!
 
Rhetoric. But, what to do? Jail every employer who hires/pays an illegal alien. Make it too expensive to utilize them. THEN, extend them no government bennies. No jobs, no freebies, no more problem(or at least no problem that we can't live with).
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You raise good points.
This problem like others in our society is not going to be solved unless we look higher than the illegal themselves and that my friends is gonna hurt where the money is, ( hard to do that) but it needs to start some where.

If what you said in the quote there was done slowly, not 13 million all at once, and with some type of " go home get legal come back over time" but how can you do that? I know no good answer.

7% of the people detained for suspected immigration issues are US citizens
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That or involved in drug or human trafficking, not enough info to know.
Rode a bus once from Oceanside Calif to Wa. state.( never do that again) We went thru a immigration stop. It took the INS guys about one or two sentences to a person to know who was and who wasn't. They are trained to know.
 
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