With all the information we have about both candidates, who do you plan to vote for?
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MicroBalrog
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And you really think Kerry will be worse than Bush? How, exactly? 
Supreme Coury NOMINATIONS???? What good are they if they never get approved? Vote the incumbents out! Time to get someone in that will not let the courts make LEGISLATION as well. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs seem to have any problem with that so far,
"Repealing unconstitutional gun control laws will be one of my first
priorities as President of the United States."
http://www.Badnarik.org/Issues/GunControl
"Repealing unconstitutional gun control laws will be one of my first
priorities as President of the United States."
http://www.Badnarik.org/Issues/GunControl
Meanwhile, back to "swooping"
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It continued Friday when the 32-year-old was rousted from her cruise
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Hope Clark was singled out by customs agents doing a routine check of
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judge held a citation that proved Clark was right -- but not before she
was detained for nine hours and brought to court in tears.
The judge apologized and demanded that the U-S Attorney's office find
out what went wrong. A spokesman for federal law enforcers blames "an
unfortunate set of circumstances."
Miami-AP -- It started when a teacher's aide forgot to stow her
marshmallows and hot chocolate at Yellowstone National Park.
It continued Friday when the 32-year-old was rousted from her cruise
ship cabin, clapped in handcuffs and leg shackles, and hauled before a
federal judge.
Hope Clark was singled out by customs agents doing a routine check of
the cruise passengers. She insisted she'd already paid the fifty-dollar
fine for leaving her foodstuffs within reach of park wildlife. And the
judge held a citation that proved Clark was right -- but not before she
was detained for nine hours and brought to court in tears.
The judge apologized and demanded that the U-S Attorney's office find
out what went wrong. A spokesman for federal law enforcers blames "an
unfortunate set of circumstances."
Geoff Timm
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Microbalrog asked: "And you really think Kerry will be worse than Bush? How, exactly?"
Bluntly, Kerry strikes me as a slick talking sociopath. He declared himself a presidential candidate back in the 1960's. Went to SVN specifically to get himself a JFK style image. He succeeded, then ran like hell.
Returning to the USofA he discovered JFK was out and communism was in and he jumped on the band wagon, spewing Communist Propaganda.
Folks, shooting people with a .50 BMG is NOT a war crime. Shooting people with an M-16 is NOT a war crime. Kerry followed the Communist Party Propaganda like a good little satrap.
Now he's a Senator, voting the straight Communist Party line everytime.
Geoff
Who is anti-communist and doesn't want to see this country murder 40 million of it's own citizens in a vain effort to make stupidity work.
Bluntly, Kerry strikes me as a slick talking sociopath. He declared himself a presidential candidate back in the 1960's. Went to SVN specifically to get himself a JFK style image. He succeeded, then ran like hell.
Returning to the USofA he discovered JFK was out and communism was in and he jumped on the band wagon, spewing Communist Propaganda.
Folks, shooting people with a .50 BMG is NOT a war crime. Shooting people with an M-16 is NOT a war crime. Kerry followed the Communist Party Propaganda like a good little satrap.
Now he's a Senator, voting the straight Communist Party line everytime.
Geoff
Who is anti-communist and doesn't want to see this country murder 40 million of it's own citizens in a vain effort to make stupidity work.
MicroBalrog,
Because while Bush may be lukewarm at best on gun rights, Kerry is a hard-core "anti", having never met a piece of gun-control legislation he didn't like. Can you see Kerry campaigning for office on a promise to push through CCW legislation? The man's voting record speaks for itself. Bush may exemplify the new, centrist, "can't we all just get along?", 'socialist lite' domestic politics of the GOP, but Kerry is pure-t kryptonite on individual rights; a hardcore collectivist in the classic limousine liberal, class-warfare-preaching, Northeastern Democrat mold.
And you really think Kerry will be worse than Bush? How, exactly?
Because while Bush may be lukewarm at best on gun rights, Kerry is a hard-core "anti", having never met a piece of gun-control legislation he didn't like. Can you see Kerry campaigning for office on a promise to push through CCW legislation? The man's voting record speaks for itself. Bush may exemplify the new, centrist, "can't we all just get along?", 'socialist lite' domestic politics of the GOP, but Kerry is pure-t kryptonite on individual rights; a hardcore collectivist in the classic limousine liberal, class-warfare-preaching, Northeastern Democrat mold.
MicroBalrog
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Depends who you're shooting.
Now, Kerry was wounded 3 times in the war. Three time. Heck, if I were wounded three times in a military conflict, I'd probably think to myself, "I am very lucky. Am I going to continue to be tha lucky?"
It was his decision to leave. Frankly, being wounded 3 times tells me he didn't exactly have the safest duty.
Patriot Act I + II
Besides, what CCW legislation did Bush pull through? Did he get us interstate reciprocity? No. Did he repeal the import ban? No.
That, adding his decisive support for a federal anti-gay marriage amendment, adding also to the shenangians with Iraq (mind you, I support the war. I just think they used the wrong methods to do it).
Now first of all I'm a democrat and kind of a liberal on a few things, and I don't agree with Bush on quite a bit.
Kerry's war record will not be questioned by me - he fought bravely, and was wounded. He did his part and that's honorable. And I don't fault him for protesting the war afterwards either. That being said Kerry is WAY too left wing for my tastes. He is probably the most anti gun presidential candidate of the main parties that I can remember. He voted for the patriot act and now tries to tell people that he was hoodwinked by Bush and he never would have voted for it if he knew what it was about. Sorry, but that sounds like BS to me.
I am upset with the prosecution of the war too. But I put the blame on Bush's advisors - Rumsfeld et al. Bush is not a military strategist, nor should he be expected to be one. No president is. As CINC you rely on your advisors and subordinates. You tell them what you want to do, they tell you what they need to do it. They were convinced they could occupy Iraq with a much smaller force than was necessary. It has taken them far too long to admit their mistake, and US troops have paid the price in blood for their errors.
In Bush's defense, I believe that he did sign CCW legislation as governor of Texas, if I'm not mistaken. I think he knows he's in trouble for voicing support for the assault gun ban, and thus his silence, and Cheny's appearance at the NRA convention this year.
This is not apologizing for Bush. I oppose him on several things, for example the gay marriage amendment proposal. I also fault him for his poor communication skills - as president that is very important. Overall though I think he's basically a decent person.
Kerry's war record will not be questioned by me - he fought bravely, and was wounded. He did his part and that's honorable. And I don't fault him for protesting the war afterwards either. That being said Kerry is WAY too left wing for my tastes. He is probably the most anti gun presidential candidate of the main parties that I can remember. He voted for the patriot act and now tries to tell people that he was hoodwinked by Bush and he never would have voted for it if he knew what it was about. Sorry, but that sounds like BS to me.
I am upset with the prosecution of the war too. But I put the blame on Bush's advisors - Rumsfeld et al. Bush is not a military strategist, nor should he be expected to be one. No president is. As CINC you rely on your advisors and subordinates. You tell them what you want to do, they tell you what they need to do it. They were convinced they could occupy Iraq with a much smaller force than was necessary. It has taken them far too long to admit their mistake, and US troops have paid the price in blood for their errors.
In Bush's defense, I believe that he did sign CCW legislation as governor of Texas, if I'm not mistaken. I think he knows he's in trouble for voicing support for the assault gun ban, and thus his silence, and Cheny's appearance at the NRA convention this year.
This is not apologizing for Bush. I oppose him on several things, for example the gay marriage amendment proposal. I also fault him for his poor communication skills - as president that is very important. Overall though I think he's basically a decent person.
MicroBalrog,
How is any of that a response to "Can you see Kerry campaigning for office on a promise to push through CCW legislation?"
The CCW legislation that Bush "pulled through" was the Texas CCW law that was a campaign plank of his run for the governorship of Texas. Like I said, Bush has been pretty much a cipher on gun rights as a president, but Kerry has actively voted for every antigun bill that came his way. Bush is a zero on the gun rights issue, but Kerry is about a -10 or so.
But since you brought up the vile PATRIOT Act: “Passage of this legislation is going to make it a lot more difficult for new terrorist organizations to develop.” (John Kerry, who voted for the bill, 10/25/01)
How is any of that a response to "Can you see Kerry campaigning for office on a promise to push through CCW legislation?"
The CCW legislation that Bush "pulled through" was the Texas CCW law that was a campaign plank of his run for the governorship of Texas. Like I said, Bush has been pretty much a cipher on gun rights as a president, but Kerry has actively voted for every antigun bill that came his way. Bush is a zero on the gun rights issue, but Kerry is about a -10 or so.
But since you brought up the vile PATRIOT Act: “Passage of this legislation is going to make it a lot more difficult for new terrorist organizations to develop.” (John Kerry, who voted for the bill, 10/25/01)
Why are some of you voting for third party candidates? None of them are going to get elected. That means a vote for them is a wasted vote.
The FACTS on gun control are:
Bush is in the middle (Cheney appears to be pro-gun). Kerry is an anti.
Bush is optimistic. Kerry is pessimistic.
Bush is a stronger leader on the War on Terror. Do you know why? He isn't afraid to go after the terrorists. If Kerry was in charge of invading Iraq or any other controversial invasion, he might put his re-election in front of National Security. Bush is a much better candidate.
Don't waste your time on a third party member. A lot of people are going to vote for Kerry, so if you don't want Kerry to win, don't vote for a third party candidate. I guarantee you, if you vote for a third party candidate, and Kerry wins and passes more bullcrap gun legislation, you WILL be wishing you voted for Bush.
Don't risk it. If Gun Control is an issue, then don't vote Kerry. And don't vote third, because it is an idle vote. You might as well not vote at all.
The FACTS on gun control are:
Bush is in the middle (Cheney appears to be pro-gun). Kerry is an anti.
Bush is optimistic. Kerry is pessimistic.
Bush is a stronger leader on the War on Terror. Do you know why? He isn't afraid to go after the terrorists. If Kerry was in charge of invading Iraq or any other controversial invasion, he might put his re-election in front of National Security. Bush is a much better candidate.
Don't waste your time on a third party member. A lot of people are going to vote for Kerry, so if you don't want Kerry to win, don't vote for a third party candidate. I guarantee you, if you vote for a third party candidate, and Kerry wins and passes more bullcrap gun legislation, you WILL be wishing you voted for Bush.
Don't risk it. If Gun Control is an issue, then don't vote Kerry. And don't vote third, because it is an idle vote. You might as well not vote at all.
MicroBalrog
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Bush is in the middles? Well, not good enough. As my father says, Those who choose neutrality in the battle between Good and Evil are on Evil's side.
Besides, the 2nd is just one article. Bush was bad for the First, Fourth, Ninth, and so forth.
Iraq?
I'm not sure we should be "going after" the terrorists militarily at all.
Besides, the 2nd is just one article. Bush was bad for the First, Fourth, Ninth, and so forth.
Iraq?
I'm not sure we should be "going after" the terrorists militarily at all.
MicroBalrog
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I have a perfect dog in this fight fix.
America is the last island of liberty on Earth.
Liberty elsewhere is only possible when America exists. Only when we have America to retreat to, to point out as an example that liberty works, that freedom is not the ranting of a madman but the working, real construct of the political geniuses of Jefferson, Washington, Paine, only then is liberty a possibility for Europe, Israel, Russia, or Columbia.
America is the last island of liberty on Earth.
Liberty elsewhere is only possible when America exists. Only when we have America to retreat to, to point out as an example that liberty works, that freedom is not the ranting of a madman but the working, real construct of the political geniuses of Jefferson, Washington, Paine, only then is liberty a possibility for Europe, Israel, Russia, or Columbia.
MicroBalrog,
...and Kerry is better? Elucidate, please. What has Kerry done that makes you think Kerry would be better for my Second Amendment rights?
...as has been nearly every president since Washington. Thankfully, we don't have to take your word for it; Kerry's voting record is easy to check, and it's positively miserable. Bush is a statist, all right, but Kerry's an even bigger one.
You would suggest what alternative? Rehabilitation programs? A government-funded Terrorists Anonymous meeting? Midnight basketball? As most pro-RKBA folks point out when discussing CCW, there are some folks who just don't respond well to anything but force.
We are only supposed to be a well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all, but we are also the champion and vindicator of our own...
...and Kerry is better? Elucidate, please. What has Kerry done that makes you think Kerry would be better for my Second Amendment rights?
Besides, the 2nd is just one article. Bush was bad for the First, Fourth, Ninth, and so forth.
...as has been nearly every president since Washington. Thankfully, we don't have to take your word for it; Kerry's voting record is easy to check, and it's positively miserable. Bush is a statist, all right, but Kerry's an even bigger one.
You would suggest what alternative? Rehabilitation programs? A government-funded Terrorists Anonymous meeting? Midnight basketball? As most pro-RKBA folks point out when discussing CCW, there are some folks who just don't respond well to anything but force.
We are only supposed to be a well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all, but we are also the champion and vindicator of our own...
MicroBalrog
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No, he is not better.
There is absolutely no reason to vote for either of them.
By voting for a politican, you accept moral responsibility for what he does when elected. I am not willing to accept moral responsibility for the Drug War, Gun Control, or any other atrocities. I say to both the DemonCraps and the RepugNazis: Not in my name!
That's a nice thought. "Vote for a principle." Very nice. I don't want Kerry to win, but as long as people vote for Third Party Candidates, the majority of uniformed people will vote for Kerry. Sure, I'd like Kerry to fulfill his promise of raising the minimum wage to $7, but if he proves to be a bad president or if he passes ONE bulls*** piece of gun legislation, I will be so mad, it won't be funny. I'm pretty serious. I don't want that hypocritical, baby killing, gun hating, son-of-a-bitch liberal running my country. No, sir. Too bad I can't vote.