With all the information we have about both candidates, who do you plan to vote for?

If I could vote (I'm only 15), I'd go for Bush. He seems like a much stronger leader than Kerry. Besides, Kerry flip-flops too much and he complains about President Bush not doing his job and look at Kerry, THEY'RE ASKING HIM TO RESIGN FROM THE SENATE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SHOW UP BECAUSE HE'S BUSY CAMPAIGNING. He needs to get his priorities in order. When it comes to the War on Terror and the 2nd Amendment, Bush kicks Commie... I mean Democratic arse.

Oh, and after listening to that sound clip that the previous post contains, I can see why liberals make so much fuss about Abu Graihb. No one that claims all soldiers do bad should say he supports the troops. What a hypocrite. I seriously PRAY that Kerry does not get elected. He is not fit to lead this country.
 
Kerry abandonded his own men on the field of battle by going home after only 4 months. He did this by recieving 3 Purple Hearts in 4 months. THREE! For which he spent a grand total of ZERO days in sick-bay due to those "wounds". All of them were simple outpatient procedures. For some people 3 band-aids and half a tube of Bacitricin constitutes honorable service and a free ticket home. Not for me it doesn't. Especially since Mr. Kerry laid bare his true character once his soft ass was safe and sound back in the states.



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I grossly disagree what is happening in Iraq. Too many soldiers are dying. Its clear that most Iraqi's don't want us there, so lets pull our soldiers out and let the Iraqi's continue to fight.
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How many dead soldiers is too many? You do realize that there were many days in WWII where we lost more troops in ONE DAY than we've lost in Iraq. So the question remains, how many?

Exactly how is it clear that most Iraqi people don't want us there? The media leads us to believe this. The guys on the ground report the opposite. Regardless of which you agree with, one thing is very clear: That it is not clear that most of the Iraqi people don't want us there.
 
Lets see, should I vote for the candidate whose party fields the likes of Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer, Murray, and Ted the Swimmer? Should I vote for the candidate of the party that fields Pelosi, Waxman, Lowey, McCarthy, and the "genius" maxine Waters? Hmmmmm? Tough choice for me!

As a member of this forum I think it is profoundly unlikely that I would vote for that person who consorts with the aforementioned creatures!
 
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Gee, I'm surprised the Gestapo didn't swoop down on you in mid-sentence.
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You mean like they did to James and Elizabeth Sanders?
Or Bob Stewart (Maadi Griffin)?
Or Randy Weaver?
Or (wacky as he was) David Koresh?
How about Elian?

They do an awfull lot of Swooping anyway. What makes you think that they might stop before they get to us? The fact that you "believe" that they "might" like you better? Shouldn't there have been a Constitution between these people and the Swoopers?

Kerry and the Dems want you eating out of their hands like pets (and just as dependant upon their good graces).

Bush and the Repubs want to be able to keep you under constant surveilance "just in case" you might do something that they might not like.

So? Serious question - Which do you prefer? Chains or bars?

But as to your original comment....On some days, so am I. Seems there's no longer anything currently standing in their way of doing just exactly that, should the whim strike them to do so. And you seem to want more of the same. I'm sure I do not understand.
 
I am a single issue voter

"Its clear that most Iraqi's don't want us there, so lets pull our soldiers out and let the Iraqi's continue to fight. We can't be the world's peacekeepers. Too many of our soldiers have been killed."
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I am just curious. Have you thought that statement through to its logical conclusion?

I don't care if Bandarik wins the Presidency, when faced with the consequences of withdrawal from Iraq, he will be forced to keep the troops there.

I don't know if anyone had noticed, but the Iranians have basically told the UN and the world to take a running jump, because Iran is going to build themselves a nuke. Probably more then one. And, don't fool yourself, Iran is Terrorist ground zero, with enough pathological mullahs that they may believe that the USA is soft enough to fold from just a single nuke. And if we leave we reinforce that belief.

Not to mention that a nuclear armed Iran will be the center of gravity in the middle east. And if you think that they do not have designs on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the rest of that region, you are simply not paying attention.. If we leave Iraq, our word will mean NOTHING, zero, zip, Nada. Nothing we will say will mean anything. The Israeli's will know that they are on their own. So will the Indians, and the Taiwanese, and every other nation that relies on our word.

It would be a diplomatic catastrophy that would make Vietnam look like Somalia. Al Qaeda would be seen as having once again beaten the mighty USA. Our control over any stability in the Middle East would be shot.

We have to win this thing, period. You see, unlike previous times, our enemies are going to get nukes. And we cannot stop them from bringing on here. It's simple impossible. 800 lives are too much? Try hundreds of thousands. I had hoped that 9/11 was a wake up call, but I fear that it was not. The next alarm bell will be very severe.

Bush understand this, Kerry appears not too. Thus, my vote is simple. Everything else is fairly irrelevant.
 
And like it or not, stability in the Middle East is in our national interest. People chant "No War for Oil," but considering that our entire economy is powered and lubricated by oil, what if not OIL, is worth going to war over?
 
Any third party that is on my ballot including Ralph Nader will get my vote.

If there is no third party on the ballot, then Shrub will get my vote, even though he is a spineless, nearly worthless POS. The reason is SCOTUS appts vis a vis our 2A rights. That's all a prez matters for anyway, really, in the grand scheme of things.
 
"Both candidates"? There were more than two, last I checked. This two-party mindset is the reason for the debacle we're in now. A more reasonable question might be, "Given what we know about the candidates from the two large, insincere, incompetent parties, who do you plan to vote for?"
 
I'm not against the War in Iraq but I don't like the way Bush is handling it. I don't like his long term strategy and I think its going to dig a hole for us in the long run.

I'll Vote for Bush if he gets off his rear end and takes on our domestic and foreign enemies. His communication skills really bother me and its becoming a liability in fighting this war.

I'll pull the Libertarian lever if Bush doesn't become more combative. Bush has set the stage for major domestic and international disaster if Kerry or Hillary get in the oval office. I do think the best analogy for the Bush adminstration is "the path to hell is paved by good intentions." I heard Cheney come out and say that this war could last 30yrs. Why did WWII last less than a decade?
 
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All of you have very good points. I am either going to have to vote for Bush, or the Libertarian...It just depends what surfaces come election day. I absolutely will not vote for Kerry.

Regarding the soldiers getting killed...I just don't like to see it. I feel we're losing the war, and that's why I think we should pull some of our soldiers out, rethink our course of action and send them back. Why lose more soldiers than we have to?

Erick
 
I feel we're losing the war
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Well the troops don't and they're in the best position to know, so with all due respect...maybe you should keep that opinion to yourself. I really mean with all due respect, so don't get upset. I get the sense that the mainstream media is accomplishing its goals, at least as far as you're concerned. I hope you are the exception and not the rule. :(
 
I just feel that too many of our soldiers are getting killed. Far too many. I don't think we have a solid plan of action on how to win this. That's all I was trying to say.

Erick
 
I just feel that too many of our soldiers are getting killed. Far too many. I don't think we have a solid plan of action on how to win this. That's all I was trying to say.
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There is nothing wrong with what, or how you feel. The only question is what do you base those feelings on? What military training have you had? How about in history? Political Science? How many active duty (in theatre, or recently returned) G.I. types do you know? I know several. Their sense of things and yours do not mesh. Not even close.

I'm a former vet myself. I've studied warfare/history/politics/arms (large and small) 35+ of the 42 years of my life. My sense of things and yours do not mesh. Not even close.

Again, this is not to belittle your feelings. It is to ask you to honestly assess what you base those feelings on.

For instance: I have the honor of knowing a young Marine who is currently working as a recruiter in the greater Seattle area. He is the grandson of one of my fellow American Legion members. This young man was at the forefront of the invasion into Iraq. I have the photographs on my computer to prove it. He doesn't share your belief. No offense, but I'll have to take his word over yours on this matter.
 
I prefer none of the above. I have a lot of thinking to do between now and november. I don't care for George W Bush at all. He basically let Senator Kennedy write the education bill thinking he could make friends and influence people. Wrong again. Wasn't happy with the midicare deal. Panders to too many trying to placate everybody. Didn't prosecute Iraqi war properly. The mosques that enemies hide in and shoot from shouldn't be standing. War only has one rule. If you start it you better win it.
John Kerry is a self serving jackass. He couldn't lead a horse to a water trought much less show it how to drink. He is part of the botton rung of the United States populace who find their way into politics. Too many like him are in office nationwide.
The rest of the candidates are very narrow in their views and some are down right silly. We are on course again to elect somebody who is unqualified to be in the position. The people who could do the job already have them and couldn't get elected because of telling various voting blocks to set down, shut up, and quit whining for a handout.
 
I get the sense that the mainstream media is accomplishing its goals, at least as far as you're concerned. I hope you are the exception and not the rule.
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That's exactly the issue.

Winning this war isn't just about body counts and the number of tanks destroyed. We gotta beat the propaganda and Bush isn't doing that.

We'll see once the election starts rolling. I expect Bush to pull release more information about WOT AFTER the Republican convention and closer to the election.
 
ragingbull, "the Libertarian" has a name... :)

It's really a black mark on the LP that everyone knows the name of the green party candidate but hardly anyone knows the name of the libertarian party candidate.
 
I have not seen a SINGLE argument for voting other than Rebublican that justifies giving up at least TWO and very possibly FOUR Supreme Court nominations in the next presidential term. NOT ONE! This single issue is worth voting for the lowest scumbag out there, let alone a merely mediocre sitting president.
And believe me, voting third party, none of the above, or just staying home on election day is gonna get us another Bill Clinton. Because that is EXACTLY how HE got in. Too many (we are talking millions, here) gun owners just went hunting or voted for Perot because of the import ban that George the first ordered. It WILL happen again and each of you will know it's your fault. Reading this I figure some of you could live with that, even gloat about it, but I cannot and will not. So I will be holding my nose (again) and voting for GW.
 
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