Wisconsin and age of exercising rights

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From some of their statements, I think his lawyers are trying to build time and allow the emotional environment to cool off a bit, so he isn't sacrificed on the alter if angry public opinion.
 
Been listening to Robert Barnes who is cynically insinuating Kyle's lawyers are intent on taking as much of the GoFundMe donations as legal fees and paying as little in actual bail. Considering the legal and financial history of at least one of them, it's a plausible theory, although I disagree. I think they're fighting this from the perspective that Kyle stands a better chance in his state of residence since he's being held there as a minor and I believe Wisconsin might put him in with adults. IANAL so that might be wrong and I'm misunderstanding what I've read.
 
Weedwacker , interesting , yeah I've seen Barnes talk about this as well .

That would be a semi good reason to fight the extradition but we/he already knows there will be bail available to him so he's not likely going to spend very long with the big dogs if that's true .

I mean really , What's the likelihood if your facing murder charges in one state . The state you reside in is going to just release you after aresting you for that crime , especially when there's video of you commuting the so called murder . My crystal ball has not been working as of late because I said ACB would not be confirmed before the election but I'm going to look inside it one more time and say " no way he doesn't get sent back to Wisconsin " :eek: so why wait ?
 
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Yeah, he's got the money. He should go over to Wisconsin, request some sort of isolation if he needs to be in the gen pop and make bail at the first possible opportunity. His legal team is doing him disfavor by keeping him in Illinois at this point.
 
I was just thinking about something. How likely is it that one the conditions of his bail/release is that he cannot leave the state of Wisconsin ? Interesting right , but Illinois has already shown that they are willing to arrest him and extradite him . This Leads me to believe they will allow him to go back to Illinois but who knows I guess , any thoughts ?
 
They did not reduce his bail and it is still $2 million so he needs to come up with $200,000 correct ?

I'd like to know more about that straw purchase . It had been reported Black gave him the gun in Wisconsin , interestingly enough they never said when . It was assumed Black gave him the gun that same night but if he gave him the gun days or months earlier that's a whole different ball game . This also brings up , keeping your mouth shut including you DAD . I knew when I saw at the end of the indictment that Kyle talked with investigators the day of his arrest or shortly after that was going to be a big issue moving forward .

Yes, and apparently Black has now been arrested.
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and the Glock yielding felon that chased Kyle down the street has yet to be charged with anything .:confused: He may not have been charged yet but he sure has paid a price with half his bicep being blown off .
 
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Metal god said:
I'd like to know more about that straw purchase . It had been reported Black gave him the gun in Wisconsin , interestingly enough they never said when . It was assumed Black gave him the gun that same night but if he gave him the gun days or months earlier that's a whole different ball game .
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How is it a whole different ball game?

IF the reports now coming out are correct, the gun was purchased in Wisconsin, which is not Rittenhouse's home state. Rittenhouse is 17, which is too young to puchase a firearm in Wisconsin. According to the reports, Rittenhouse provided the money for Black to purchase the gun, which was then stored at Black's step-father's house.

If that's true, it was a classic straw purchase, regardless of when Black handed the gun to Rittenhouse.
 
Right now that’s hear say , dad said Kyle paid for it . How does he know ? Because he was told that ? Doesn’t mean it happened. If the gun was bought and kept at the buyers house I don’t think it matters where the buyer got the money . If I buy a car with money you gave me , put it in my name and the car is always at my house . How is it your car in a court of law ? Even if I let you drive it once in a while doesn’t make it yours .

I will add the optics of this is not good. If these accusations turn out to be true this will be a perfect talking point for universal background checks
 
Isn't "straw purchase" a federal crime rather than state? Why does Wisconsin care so much all of the sudden, and is charging Black rather than just referring it to the FBI?

Doesn't make the alleged straw purchase right, but it's still a political prosecution.
 
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Isn't "straw purchase" a federal crime rather than state?
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It can be both. I don't know about Wisconsin but I know that my home state has a raft of gun laws that are the same as or very similar to federal gun laws. And I don't think we know exactly what Black was charged with. The federal law doesn't prohibit "straw purchases" by that name, the actual law uses other terminology. "Straw purchase" is just the slang we use to describe the act. Wisconsin law may do likewise.

It IS (apparently) unlawful for a 17-year old to purchase a firearm in Wisconsin. If it's a crime, Black could be charged with something as simple as aiding and abetting the commission of a felony.
 
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Right now that’s hear say , dad said Kyle paid for it . How does he know ? Because he was told that ? Doesn’t mean it happened.
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I believe Black himself has told the police that he bought the gun using Kyle's money.

If the gun was bought and kept at the buyers house I don’t think it matters where the buyer got the money . If I buy a car with money you gave me , put it in my name and the car is always at my house .
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That's a false analogy. I don't think there are any laws prohibiting the purchase of a motor vehicle by one person on behalf of a second person who is prohibited from purchasing a motor vehicle. But there are laws prohibiting the purchase of firearms on behalf of persons who are not eligible to purchase firearms on their own. So it very much does matter where Black got the money.

It also matters what his intent was. The reports are that Black also had a similar AR-15, so it's not like he needed the one that Rittenhouse was using that night. Certainly, lots and lots of people own multiple AR-15s. But most of them own multiple ARs that they bought with their own money, for their own use. If Black had bought the second AR with his own money, for his own use, and once in awhile he allowed Rittenhouse to shoot it -- that's one thing. It should be obvious that using Rittenhouse's money to buy an AR-15 for Rittenhouse and then agreeing to store Rittenhouse's gun at Black's step-father's house is a different matter entirely.
 
I agree with intent and also agree with the idea of keeping your mouth shut . I can’t believe all these people have incriminated themselves .
 
I remember when *a baby* could walk into any hardware store and buy a gun (assuming the baby could walk) and nobody cared if he was a felon because it didn't matter. That was 1967, and it wasn't a problem. All the current "felon in possession" and "straw purchase" problems are a manufactured problem intent on increasing process crimes rather than reducing victim crimes. It makes me sad that we've accepted that as normal. (that being said, I abide by these unconstitutional laws too because I'm not a prohibited person yet, and so far it's just easier. But it's not normal)
 
For any young people who might be willing to pay attention, it's a good example of how to ruin the rest of your life. Rittenhouse may be a convicted felon before he turns 18. If he had an interest in becoming a police officer, he can kiss that goodbye. A couple of bad decisions and his future is down the toilet.

"Welcome to West World, where nothing can go wrong ... go wrong ... go wrong ..."

I'm sure when he bought the rifle it never occurred to him that he might get caught for making a straw purchase. Maybe he didn't even know that it's a federal crime. And when he set out to guard that business I'm sure he never expected that by the end of the night he would have killed two people and wounded a third. Young people generally don't understand that decisions have consequences. Sometimes learning that is a very hard lesson.
 
While I believe Rittenhous shot in self defense I believe now he will plead because of the straw purchase. Too bad for him. He'll do some time.
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That's a separate issue I believe . Yes he "may" have got the gun illegally but I believe that does not mean you forfeit your right to self defense . I've read somewhere that even a convicted felon who is prohibited from owning a firearm can use one in self defense . I know it would have to be carefully argued but think he still has a shot at beating the murder charges . I do agree at this point he will do some time but IMHO if they stick with 1st degree murder I don't see a 12-0 vote for that . Then again with all this new self incrimination and dad throwing him under the bus . Maybe he said some dumb stuff to his friends and or investigators .

The saddest thing is it appears his defense team is not up for this . I heard they went to file an appeal on the extradition and were told he's already gone :rolleyes: . It's my understanding they are way over there heads on this at best and up to no good and only in this for the money at worst for Kyle .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6frUeVjCd1U
 
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