No, absolutely not forgotten.....but I see nowhere in the passage written where it advocates denying legal authority, nor bearing arms against such authority (shooting). Many seem to advocate either lie, deny, or shoot first in the presence of this danger....while I advocate preemptive action within our judicial and legal system to change any laws we deem unjust. Our system was set up to facilitate this type of action, as opposed to inciting another armed action against the ruling power......it was the wonderful avenue our framers created, to prevent that type of bloodshed again. I don't believe the revolution and constitution was set as much as an example, but rather a warning and method to prevent such a thing from ever becoming neccessary again. Within and by the law....first.
Will you just hand over all your firearms if police ask for it?
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No, absolutely not forgotten.....but I see nowhere in the passage written where it advocates denying legal authority, nor bearing arms against such authority (shooting). Many seem to advocate either lie, deny, or shoot first in the presence of this danger....while I advocate preemptive action within our judicial and legal system to change any laws we deem unjust. Our system was set up to facilitate this type of action, as opposed to inciting another armed action against the ruling power......it was the wonderful avenue our framers created, to prevent that type of bloodshed again. I don't believe the revolution and constitution was set as much as an example, but rather a warning and method to prevent such a thing from ever becoming neccessary again. Within and by the law....first.
theberettaman
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pwelsh4hd,yesterday you willingly gave up your guns to the government because they said so. So today are you going to give up your daughters and wife to them too because they said so. When corrupt govenments don't obey their own laws by taking your guns,what makes you think they would obey the law to not come into your home and take your wife and daughter for immoral purposes? Oh that's right. It's against the law.Ooops I guess you need to go talk to your congressman and senators and vote them out in 2 or 6 years.Your family will be pretty much worn out and by then,but you will have held the moral high-ground,huh?
How about just skipping the whole thing and hold the moral high-ground when they come to illegally confiscate your guns.You're posting on a gun forum and at a drop of the hat you'll freely give them up? Kinda trollish!!
And by the way there were those pesky Nuerinburg Laws inacted by the nazi's that stipped the jews of the right to own property.Guns most of all.Do a little more research other than the rewritten history books or the Brady Campaign Against Handgun Violence brochure.
How about just skipping the whole thing and hold the moral high-ground when they come to illegally confiscate your guns.You're posting on a gun forum and at a drop of the hat you'll freely give them up? Kinda trollish!!
And by the way there were those pesky Nuerinburg Laws inacted by the nazi's that stipped the jews of the right to own property.Guns most of all.Do a little more research other than the rewritten history books or the Brady Campaign Against Handgun Violence brochure.
gunslinger555
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And confiscating lawfuly owned firearms in N.O. was never writen into "law" either
except banning the act of.The jews in Germany didnt put up much of a fight which goes to show what happens if you dont resist tyranny, I think police taking private legally owned property is tyranny. Gun control works, just ask Hitler.
Sorry wasnt comparing, just adding to say that our forefathers where considered treasonist under the British government.
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Again, let's discern a difference between property....and life and liberty. My Colt is my property....where I'm from, my wife and children are not property. They are indeed a life to be protected and defended under the articles of our constitution and human moral / ethic....as I would do so, despite your thoughts otherwise. Yeh, you want my gun by legal doctrine, don't threaten my life or life of others.....take it, it's yours.......make threats or action toward others, and yes there is going to be a problem. I don't own one single firearm worth the lives of my loved ones....none. I'd be the last one to want to have to explain to my wife...."sorry you got shot hon, they tried to take my Colt, and well we just can't have that...too bad you just happened to get in the way...it'll be OK".
*Confiscation of "property" by lawful means occurs in the US every day! Where's the outcry and bloodshed over "eminant domain"??? None of course, because it's set forth in law for the better of the public trust. Agree with it, perhaps not...but it's up to us to make these changes to our system in a lawful manner.
I've not read any brochures in regard to Brady, but I'm not saying I'm closed minded and wouldn't read it if given one, I've just not been given that opportunity. I feel I'm adult enough to take something I read, disseminate the information for myself, and make decisions based on all information I've been provided. If you feel my viewpoint (which I've held static throughout the thread) is trollish for disagreeing with your viewpoint, then I indeed apologize. I'm not appreciative of being considered a troll for entering a healthy debate of alternate views (in a thread which I did not start by the way).
*I'd very much like to divert this thread back to where it belongs in regard to gun ownership and possession, and away from the references to the holocaust and WWII which have no place here....I apologize for even making reference to the WWII subject by the original poster. As I mentioned, bad taste, and has no place here.
theberettaman
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The right to own property is part of Life Liberty and Happiness.Any man who gives up even one of these is a fool and deserves none. Every 2 bit hustler,be it a person or a government has had the same advice for their victims,"hey guy,it's not really worth loosing your life over". Thank god 200 years ago somebody said "yes it is" so that now you can have this conversation.It's folks who hold beliefs like yours that will make it harder for folks like me to keep you free.
We will just have to dissagree.
We will just have to dissagree.
Doubletaptap
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My leaving this world would not affect anybody. I have a few acquaintences that I sometimes run into. I gave up on women, too many head games to play anymore for what you get out of it,I have no family left. It's just me.
I'm not a martyr, I just don't feel like the government has the right to come into "my castle" with force and take away "my belongings" that I worked and paid for and paid taxes on.
It is a blatent infringement on my constitutional rights as a human being.
Heck I got a CHL so I can shoot to protect "my castle" and "my belongings". The law says so. So why should the government be above the law?
I'm not trying to be a hero or a martyr. As I said, my passing would affect no one, would make no difference. I'm just standing up for myself and the law /against the "regime" that would allow such things to happen.
I don't care if Dubya himself came to my house,he ain't getting any of my property unless he wants to pay me a fair price for it.
They can buy them but they ain't taking them.
And it's not just being killed for a gun, it's a principle I believe strongly in.The United States of America. For the people, by the people.
I used to be proud of the folks running our country. But now I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw em'. I vote, and no matter who you vote for, the person "they" want gets elected. And the honesty of elections is a bunch of crap today. Looks at Dubya's votes and the Florida "family recount".
Just recently there was another "family recount".
Greed and cash flow run the government. They don't give a rats ass about us unless we're rich enough to be influential. I imagine if we really knew what was going on in government we'd have reason to be mighty afraid.
NO, they ain't getting mine without a fight, unless I get fair market value for them.
Say what you want, think what you want. It's a free country...so far.
I'm not a martyr, I just don't feel like the government has the right to come into "my castle" with force and take away "my belongings" that I worked and paid for and paid taxes on.
It is a blatent infringement on my constitutional rights as a human being.
Heck I got a CHL so I can shoot to protect "my castle" and "my belongings". The law says so. So why should the government be above the law?
I'm not trying to be a hero or a martyr. As I said, my passing would affect no one, would make no difference. I'm just standing up for myself and the law /against the "regime" that would allow such things to happen.
I don't care if Dubya himself came to my house,he ain't getting any of my property unless he wants to pay me a fair price for it.
They can buy them but they ain't taking them.
And it's not just being killed for a gun, it's a principle I believe strongly in.The United States of America. For the people, by the people.
I used to be proud of the folks running our country. But now I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw em'. I vote, and no matter who you vote for, the person "they" want gets elected. And the honesty of elections is a bunch of crap today. Looks at Dubya's votes and the Florida "family recount".
Just recently there was another "family recount".
Greed and cash flow run the government. They don't give a rats ass about us unless we're rich enough to be influential. I imagine if we really knew what was going on in government we'd have reason to be mighty afraid.
NO, they ain't getting mine without a fight, unless I get fair market value for them.
Say what you want, think what you want. It's a free country...so far.
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i think the original post was turning in your guns in case of natural disaster or emergency. so i will stick with that. NO. they cannot have my guns just because they cannot control what is going on outside. no they cannot come in unless they have a warrant. ( i do not think in New Orleans they had warrants for every single house. thats alot of signatures from alot of judges). if they push into my house there will be a fight. How am i supposed to protect my person and property if i do not have the means to do so? When they ( government) take away my ability to defend myself in my home, they are taking away from the Constitution. Which in itself is Illegal. I believe i have the right to stop a governement official from performing an illegal act. I believe that is also a law (if not well dang it, it should be).
When you trample on a person's individual rights ( the ones supposedly GUARANTEED in the Constitution) we no longer have a democracy. no democracy = no liberty, no libtery = no rights and no rights = no property. direct cause and effect. that is how i see it IMHO
i think the original post was turning in your guns in case of natural disaster or emergency. so i will stick with that. NO. they cannot have my guns just because they cannot control what is going on outside. no they cannot come in unless they have a warrant. ( i do not think in New Orleans they had warrants for every single house. thats alot of signatures from alot of judges). if they push into my house there will be a fight. How am i supposed to protect my person and property if i do not have the means to do so? When they ( government) take away my ability to defend myself in my home, they are taking away from the Constitution. Which in itself is Illegal. I believe i have the right to stop a governement official from performing an illegal act. I believe that is also a law (if not well dang it, it should be).
When you trample on a person's individual rights ( the ones supposedly GUARANTEED in the Constitution) we no longer have a democracy. no democracy = no liberty, no libtery = no rights and no rights = no property. direct cause and effect. that is how i see it IMHOmy guess is they wont just ask when that time comes.my guess is they already know partially who has what and where they are at.foid cards,the yellow forms that are supposed to be "not registered",internet for sale blogs,ect.
you cant put a fair market price on the second ammendment.freedom is priceless.when Im blind or cant shoot them,they will go free to family,friends and relatives who will.
you cant put a fair market price on the second ammendment.freedom is priceless.when Im blind or cant shoot them,they will go free to family,friends and relatives who will.
"Where rights secured by the Federal Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436 (1966)
"An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425 (1885)
"An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425 (1885)
A bit off topic but...
Here's the scary thing, in middle school and high school my teachers said "oh that means you have to go through legislation in order to change the government" they were very hesitant on flat out saying, arm yourselves and fight back if push comes to shove. Society of sheep are we?
We are all forgetting that the value of true freedom from even the most remote form of tyranny has a high price worth paying. The unfortunate thing about domestic tyranny is that all to often people do nothing until it's too late. What kind of BS was I learning back then? How would I fight a corrput government who will bend and break the rules at their own whim, and further expend their own citizens for personal gain? The best way to kill the slithering serpent is a direct shot to the head. Or as Samuel L. Jackson puts it, "Get these motherf*(%ing snakes off the motherf*(%ing plane!" I think it's the job of every citizen to be vigilant of the government.
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Here's the scary thing, in middle school and high school my teachers said "oh that means you have to go through legislation in order to change the government" they were very hesitant on flat out saying, arm yourselves and fight back if push comes to shove. Society of sheep are we?
We are all forgetting that the value of true freedom from even the most remote form of tyranny has a high price worth paying. The unfortunate thing about domestic tyranny is that all to often people do nothing until it's too late. What kind of BS was I learning back then? How would I fight a corrput government who will bend and break the rules at their own whim, and further expend their own citizens for personal gain? The best way to kill the slithering serpent is a direct shot to the head. Or as Samuel L. Jackson puts it, "Get these motherf*(%ing snakes off the motherf*(%ing plane!" I think it's the job of every citizen to be vigilant of the government.Epyon
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This question is ridiculous. What do you think you're going to do? Start shooting people? If the police and national guards come and "knock on your door," I don't think you are going to have ANY choice what happens to your guns. By the way, aren't there more important things in life to be paranoid about??
Doubletaptap
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Epyon if you follow the news there's a little of that going on in the white house right now. The man up there is writing his own rules and so far nobody has come up with a way to stop it. All are screaming "it's unconstitutional what he's doing" but he's still doing it.Scary ain't it?
Zing Zang, you need to go in for a reality check soon my friend. The government COULD become so corrupt as to try a stunt like disarming the public.
Funny part of the original post was "in a time of disaster' or something like that. That would be the time we would want our guns.
Heck look at what happened in Louisiana during the hurricane. Would you give up your guns while crazy people were looting and pillaging?
It don't matter who knocks on your door or what kind of papers they got. If they haven't changed the base law(the constitution) then they can go fish as far as I'm concerned.Guns????What guns????
Zing Zang, you need to go in for a reality check soon my friend. The government COULD become so corrupt as to try a stunt like disarming the public.
Funny part of the original post was "in a time of disaster' or something like that. That would be the time we would want our guns.
Heck look at what happened in Louisiana during the hurricane. Would you give up your guns while crazy people were looting and pillaging?
It don't matter who knocks on your door or what kind of papers they got. If they haven't changed the base law(the constitution) then they can go fish as far as I'm concerned.Guns????What guns????
gunslinger555
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Some might start shooting right then and their but the smart ones will hide the guns they want to keep and give over some sacrifices if you seem very cooperative and show them whare you keep your guns (the sacrifices) and convince them thats all of them they might not search your house. And just make sure that when they ask for them you dont pick them up and try to hand them over, you might get tackled (even if you are an old woman) or worse shot. So show them ware they are and let them take them and after they leave dig up the crate of sks's and other goodies you buried in the back yard.
And im pretty sure they where going around asking if you had guns if you just said no they went on to the next house, If you were not home then they would enter.fleshwound
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Ahhh, sorry you must be mistaken officer
I had a friend who works for the local PD here in Mass. He looked up my firearms records. They have guns attached to me that I owned 25 yrs ago. Most of the guns I have now (and have owned for more than 6 yrs) were not even listed yet?? SO, my opinion is, say what ever you want. The info the law has is not accurate..
Lets hope that law is passed in all 50 states. I live in Mass, it's not a law here yet..
I had a friend who works for the local PD here in Mass. He looked up my firearms records. They have guns attached to me that I owned 25 yrs ago. Most of the guns I have now (and have owned for more than 6 yrs) were not even listed yet?? SO, my opinion is, say what ever you want. The info the law has is not accurate..
Lets hope that law is passed in all 50 states. I live in Mass, it's not a law here yet..
Last time I checked, I have a recept for my gun. That means I paid for it, and it is my property. James Madison, writer of the Bill of Rights, had something interesting to say about property, and his words were later extended to the states.
The way I see it, every gun owner would have the right to a trial before a jury to decide whether or not the government has a case for removing the property from my house. Multiply that by the millions of gun owners who would also have the right to a trial in order to get due process, and it would cost billions of dollars just for court costs to start collecting all guns in the case the second amendment was ever repealed.
I would probably do what the court told me to do. It is too bad they were destroyed in a tragic accident involving 3 snakes and a mountain lion.
The way I see it, every gun owner would have the right to a trial before a jury to decide whether or not the government has a case for removing the property from my house. Multiply that by the millions of gun owners who would also have the right to a trial in order to get due process, and it would cost billions of dollars just for court costs to start collecting all guns in the case the second amendment was ever repealed.
I would probably do what the court told me to do. It is too bad they were destroyed in a tragic accident involving 3 snakes and a mountain lion.