Will the OPPORTUNITIES be the demise of GWB?

I think there have been some real loosers.

BigJack
Certainly you do not mean gwb???? He will go down as one of, if not the worst, president this country has ever know.

Harley
Come on the circumstances were there and he took um, he won't be painted by the same brush as they did to Hoover, Johnson (both) or some of the others that were in during some real controversial times, Trickey Dick being the exception of course. Still not over 50 years ago so we won't know till then.

MF how the initial change or not LOL. Was not he the indian guy???No wonder he had a rough row to hoe...Funny, (not) wars have a way of messing up people.

Harley
 
shouldn'tyoubeworkingongunsnotpostinghere?
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No, why?

Millard Fillmore didn't disassemble the constitutional structure - on purpose!
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Every preseident (except numbskulls like Fillmore) does something to dissasemble the constitional structure..in fact all branches do...its inherent in checks and balances..

Some win, some lose

WildhistoryismorecomplexthanconspiracywebsitesAlaska
 
As far as what history will say about him...depends on who's history you're talking about. The American version of history doesn't always jive with what the rest of the world sees.
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And American history is usually divided by realists and revisionists.

Revisionists have painted Gulf War 1 as a failure.

Revisionists ignore that 80% of the Muslim population in Kuwait view George H W Bush as a hero.

Revisionists paint the US journey to and through democracy as a peaceful civilized transition.

Revisionists disregard the period in American history involving bloody territorial disputes, power grabs and corruption.

Betting on absolute victory or defeat of democracy in the Middle East is a fools wager. A larger fool demands proclamation of victory or defeat after 3 years. At 20 years we MAY be getting an idea if democracy is going to succeed. Demanding victory of democracy after 3 years is demanding defeat.(Defeat, I believe, is the silent prayer of many GWB haters)
 
Just a point here and there. Clinton, through his actions gave congress and the purse strings for spending to the republicans. His policy ment very little unless he could get congress to open the purse. That we had a surplus for a bit wasn't do to Clinton but to the congress.

There is no way a president can take a beating in the liberal press like Bush has and come out looking good. Every move he has made has been scrutinized and scandleized to the point that no one could come out unscathed. Between the demos and the press stabbing him in the back on the war and blaming him personaly for everything from Katrina to fuel shortages there isn't a chance he will come out of this.

The country is being torn apart and we are adding to the tear. Decension will show to Iran and they will build their bomb costing many to die. We build the world we live in and the stuff that is going on is building a world that is really going to suffer.

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I give up...GWB is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER...HE IS THE cause of ADDICTION!

Shut and smoke!
By Inside Track
Thursday, January 12, 2006

Although politically overactive actor Sean Penn has not stepped into battle, the country’s involvement in Iraq is going to slowly kill him.
The Oscar winner told the audience at an anti-war forum hosted by the Progressive Democrats of America in Sacramento, Calif. the other night that the stress of living under the Bush administration is making it impossible for him to quit smoking, the PDA’s Web site reported.
Penn, 45, famously kicked the habit on his 40th birthday after watching his father, Leo Penn, die of lung cancer.
“It was time not to be a slave to this (smoking) nonsense, you know?” Penn told Guardian Unlimited Film in 2001.
Once he had broken free from the constraints of chain-smoking, the “I Am Sam” actor threw himself into political and humanitarian work, beginning in 2002 when he placed a $56,000 advertisement in the Washington Post asking President George W. Bush to end the cycle of violence in Iraq.
But it must have been his selfless efforts of 2005 that forced him to seek the solace of nicotine once again.
In June of last year, “The Interpreter” star traveled to Iran as a journalist on an assignment for the San Francisco Chronicle covering the elections. Then, only four months later, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, he showed up in New Orleans — with a camera crew — to rescue stranded victims. He wasn’t too successful since he had to bail out his sinking skiff. A real smokin’ effort on his part . . .

wUILDHOWDAREBUSHaLASKA
 
Those that have seen the movie will understand.

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WildAlaska said:
The Oscar winner told the audience at an anti-war forum hosted by the Progressive Democrats of America in Sacramento, Calif. the other night that the stress of living under the Bush administration is making it impossible for him to quit smoking, the PDA’s Web site reported.
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LAMO!!!!!


WHAT A PUNK!!!!



WildAlaska said:
In June of last year, “The Interpreter” star traveled to Iran as a journalist on an assignment for the San Francisco Chronicle covering the elections. Then, only four months later, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, he showed up in New Orleans — with a camera crew — to rescue stranded victims. He wasn’t too successful since he had to bail out his sinking skiff. A real smokin’ effort on his part . . .
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Oh yeah...He shows up to "help out" with photog and PUBLICIST in tow...Don't forget "Mr Gun Control" had a pump shotgun....

What a waste of skin


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Hmmmm.... Business is very strong in our company, the economy is strong and robust. That is what I see day to day. Now, if I pickup a newspaper and look at the front page, America is in bad shape. These are the same papers that told us America was booming when Clinton was pres. When Clinton was in I got layed off once and I saw my taxes go up. The papers were very quiet about these issues. Can American's think for themselfe's? Or do they need the mainstream liberal media to them what they should think and how? The media has always been a bit anti- capitalist, anti-gun, pro-tax, pro- social programs, pro-liberal, anti-conservative. My point? I see too many people form their beleif's, opinions, and live's around the things the media tells them.
 
Post # 13 will show you the performance of the dow since 1992. The dow is a fairly common means of accessing the state of the country and it dropped friday by 213 points which is the worst in 9 months. Other things you might consider is the cost of fuel and related items such as home heating, plastic products, food processing, industrial energy and others that are passed on to the consumer(you and me) as compared to your "tax cut."
 
bigjack - Considering the financial impact of the atrocities of September 11; from where I sit, the economy is doing great. You cannot minimize the effect that 9/11 had on the economy, yet I never see you mention it. The very fact that we are not in a depression right now can be attributed to those whom Bush appointed to positions of fiscal leadership. (And of course, Alan Greenspan who was appointed by Reagan.)

Like it or not, you have Bush to thank for the health of the economy.
 
Bluesman, your idea of the health of the economy is certainly different from a lot of other folks. I don;t think 9/11 has had nearly the negative effect on the economy as did the attack on Iraq in 2003. Also be aware that the bottom of the economy was falling out before 9/11 but oh yea, you can contribute some of that to BC but a lot to gwb also. Industrial jobs have fallen and continue to fall as we speek, gen motors, ford, US Steel, Internationa paper, and on and on cuting jobs almost daily. At the same time prices continue to shy rocket fueled by increased oil prices while the oil industry reports unprecidented profits. Maybe as we continue to cut veterans bennefits and shut VA hospitals, military bases and the like the economy will "improve" even more. And I do realize that I have bush to think for the economy as bad as it is.
 
yea right!!!! 10 or 12 years earlier, un hu????????

You know, its strange to me that anything bad that happened during the clinton years was his fault and everything good was because of someone else, many years in the past. While, the same people blame anything bad during the gwb watch on others and any good because of him.

Yea ole slick willie got caught, hurt him too. but lets face it:

Dow went from the 3000's to over 11000 during BC term, during bushes admin. it went from 11000 down to 9000's and back up to 11000 (briefly).

Gasoline prices actually dropped during the clinton years and was near $1.00 per gal when gwb took office.

Yes BC cut the military budget in 96 but during gwbs watch bases have been closed world wide, vets bennefits have been reduced and VA hospitals closed during a time of large living cost increases.

During gwb's term illegals have flooded the country paying no taxes but receiving full social bennefits, partially as the results of the administrations reduction in the border patrol budgets.

During gwb's watch oil companies have received unprecidented profits with no request from gwb for them to "controll" them selves while at the same time advising us, we are at war-suck it up. And I read in the morning paper this morning, that VP cheney called in oil company executives before 9/11 to set national energy policy (excuse me but I did not know that, sort of like letting the big bad wolf escort little red riding hood).

During the BC term a "Mine Safety" program was started but quickly scrapped during gwb's first term (his lack of concern for the working man shows). Had this program been continued and enforced perhaps we would not have had the recent mine dissasters. Now the AP reports that they are "reviewing
" the previously scrapped initiatives.

It appears that the economy is improving, improving from the cellar from which it receded during the first gwb term. However I fear that it is a "war time economy" and if not for the jobs created to support the war, including job vacancies for the military taken from the job market, the whole thing would collapse. And in my opinion, a lot of the problems today are the direct results of the appointment of political cronies and friends to important positions, by gwb, with little or no consideration for qualifications as noted by recent resignations and etc.
 
Yes BC cut the military budget
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Why some people think that reducing a nearly half trillion dollar expenditure is a bad thing amazes me. I know we need our military but the money we spend on it is utterly ridiculous...did the USS Regan really need to be built? Why not spend some money on education and let SECNAV organize a bake sale? :rolleyes:


During gwb's watch oil companies have received unprecidented profits with no request from gwb for them to "controll" them selves while at the same time advising us, we are at war-suck it up.
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Not just us but the gas station owners as well. Oil companies operate on massive profit margins while the retailers, the guys that get blamed for the prices because we see them up on the ladders every other day changing them, operate on a profit margin a fraction of the size.

Thanks, Senator Stevens, for allowing the execs to testify without swearing in. :D
 
Dow went from the 3000's to over 11000 during BC term, during bushes admin. it went from 11000 down to 9000's and back up to 11000 (briefly).
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In addition to 9/11 causing the market to go soft. The internet/tech bubble burst and fictitious reporting practices have been prosecuted and halted. This probably had a more dramatic effect on the market than 9/11. While the market was at 11000 + during the Clinton years the current 11000 is a more stable 11k IMHO.

During gwb's term illegals have flooded the country paying no taxes but receiving full social bennefits, partially as the results of the administrations reduction in the border patrol budgets.
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There were no illegals coming in during the Clinton era? There has been no appreciable changes in immigration policy in 30 years.

During the BC term a "Mine Safety" program was started but quickly scrapped during gwb's first term (his lack of concern for the working man shows). Had this program been continued and enforced perhaps we would not have had the recent mine dissasters. Now the AP reports that they are "reviewing
" the previously scrapped initiatives.
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Is this the same "mine safety" program which closed down many of the mines which have reopened in recent years? I am not from a mining state but I do remember massive mine closures resulting in massive unemployment in mining areas.

However I fear that it is a "war time economy" and if not for the jobs created to support the war, including job vacancies for the military taken from the job market, the whole thing would collapse.
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130k jobs barely effect job numbers. Not to mention most of the deployed are full time military.

Why not spend some money on education and let SECNAV organize a bake sale?
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Yea, lets throw some more money at the massively successful public education system and leave national security/defense to bake sales.:rolleyes:
 
bigjack said:
Bluesman, your idea of the health of the economy is certainly different from a lot of other folks.
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A lot of other folks are wrong. According to the bureau of labor statistics, there were 211 million noninstitutional civilians employed in January 2001. As of December 2005, there are 226 million. A report from bloomberg.com said:
Initial jobless claims tumbled by 36,000 to 271,000 in the week ended Jan. 14, the Labor Department said today in Washington. Weekly claims averaged 332,000 in 2005, down from 343,000 a year earlier.
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Like I said before, a lot of other folks are wrong.

bigjack said:
Industrial jobs have fallen and continue to fall as we speek, gen motors, ford, US Steel, Internationa paper, and on and on cuting jobs almost daily.
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Hey Jack - Come in to the '90s! The USA is not primarily a manufacturing-based labor force anymore. Now it's Service and Technology that are on the rise. As my statistics showed above, the gains in these markets far outpace any losses in yesterdays labor market.

How many carriage builders are there today? How about blacksmiths? Can you name the last time you met a wheelwright? If you focus on the labor force of industries that are naturally going downhill, you would falsely conclude that the economy as a whole is going downhill.
 
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