Where the hell did I EVER say that?
I'll save you the trouble.
I didn't.
But, that would be interesting...
Making ethanol from gasoline!
Oh, Mike, Mike Mike. Of course you didn't say that ethanol is made from gasoline. What idiocy that would have been. I, of course, didn't say you said that either. You just thought that's what I said.
Here is what I posted, that you reposted, and you still didn't get it.
"I firmly believed, nowbeit incorrectly, that those who assemble here would have the wherewithall and good sense to know that ethanol is not being manufactured using the same material it is being produced to replace."
They
make ethanol from corn and they
use fossil fuels to process it. I am sorry you read that wrong but in retrospect I can see how that could happen. Ethanol is not made from fossil fuels it is made using fossil fuels to process corn into ethanol. I hope that salves the wound.
Would that easy your panicking about the price of tortillas in Monterey, Mexico?
I believe that the riots occurred in Mexico City and were small in nature; but the Mexican government had to take steps to control the price of corn. Perhaps it is okay in the eyes of some Americans that poor people starve so they can drive their private conveyances.
No, you're coming in here screaming panic, the sky is falling, or I should say the food supply is drying up, at the top of your lungs as if it is a foregone conclusion that the big, nasty ADMs and Conagras are going to, on purpose, starve the world just to maximize their ethanol profits.
Actually, I have no problem with ConAgra or ADM whatsoever. I wish them the same success I do all American businesses which supply a needed good or service.
My problem is with the politicians who are beating this drum of ethanol being the panacea that will lift us out of foreign oil dependence. Re-read
my thread header and you will see, perhaps finally, that I have no enmity toward business. Did you simply not read what I posted? Did you miss these gems?
the usual unintended consequences that politicians never seem to address. This time, however, the very food supply of the nation is at risk as they (politicians) sing their siren song "ethhhhhanoooollllll".
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Food riots in Mexico over the price of the tortilla were narrowly averted by the government stepping in and placing price controls on corn.
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Farmers are switching to corn crops for the ethanol subsidies (That would be the government giving those subsidies, not the farmers, ADM, or Con Agra, or "Big Agri")
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... burn up its food supply to satisfy a political agenda
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(and then I urged you to do this)
When your legislators have their (politicians) open houses in your area, you need to get in there and tell them (politicians) what they (politicians) are doing and how it is affecting the economy at large -- especially the food supply. Make them (politicians) understand that they (politicians) do not want to be on the receiving end of the enmity of a starving people.
I didn't urge you to write to Con Agra or ADM or any other agruicultural entity. I urged you to speak to
your legislator. But I guess you missed that, too.
What next, that the jump in oil prices is a move by the Bildabergers to force a shift to ethanol so that people will starve so that repressive governments can seize control so that the herd can be culled down to a more manageable size?
You sure can make up one steaming pile of BS out of one single post, can't you? Wow!
First of all, I never said anything about any conspiracies or plots to overthrow the government nor to slaughter the population to a manageable size. If I would have mentioned the Bilderbergers I would have at least gotten the spelling correct; but I didn't.
As I've tried to point out, there are a number of SERIOUSLY problematic issues with your contentions, first and foremost that the prices of corn and oil are independent and one doesn't affect the other.
I never stated that the rush to ethanol was the sole driving force in the increase in the cost of food. I didn't think that I needed to detail, ad infinitum, every aspect of those forces. Apparemntly, you
did need me to do so. Again, I simply failed in that "wherewithal and good sense" thing. Sorry about that.
Another is the apparent belief that ethanol is it. It's all that's left. We've no other options to play. When you get right down to it, there are one hell of a lot of people in the United States and elsewhere who are already having to make that kind of decision on a daily basis, and ethanol isn't involved... Home heating or food... Gas to get to work or food... My medications or food...
This entire paragraph is outta left field. I don't know what you are talking about. I have never said that "ethanol is it" or "It's all that's left" or "no other options to play". You simply made all of that up.
Shifting, or attempting to shift, the debate onto other economic issues such as heating, and medical issues is disingenuous.
I'm sorry, but in this sense, you're no better, and are perhaps worse than, the NIMBYs you apparently dislike so much. You just have a different acronym associated with your particular crusade -- DTMTIEF.... Don't Turn My Tortillas Into Ethanol Fuel!
First of all, Peel is a purely English name. I am not Mexican. If I were, my last name would be Cascara. Second of all, I am not the only one talking about this. Read the next post and see what I mean.