Will all the gloom and doom affect muzzleloaders

It will IMO. They want all your guns. It's not about safety it's about forcing us all down the slave road. All guns stand for freedom and individual rights and they want that breed out of us. Here in NJ it started years ago. I posted this on another muzzloading sight and think it is worth mentioning in this thread.

To anyone who thinks "I'm safe I only own black powder guns and I can buy them anytime over the counter". For years now, the state of New Jersey has ruled that all black powder guns, including muzzloading shotguns, rifles, pistols, BB guns and SLINGSHOTS, I repeat SLINGSHOTS are indeed firearms in the eyes of NJ law and subject to the same laws as any other gun. A firearms ID Card is required to purchase any rifle or shotgun, this can take over a year to obtain. Once you have obtained that card from the cheif of police only then can you apply for a seperate pistol permit to purchase a handgun, this is good for only one gun, a seperate permit is required for every handgun you want to buy. Carrying any of these on your person or in your car or truck even if unloaded, without the proper paperwork and going to or from an approved range can land you in jail, facing financial ruin and prison time.
Many of the guns on the contraband list of the antigunners are already banned in the Garden State. I remember when the law went into effect, you had four choises:
1. Turn then it. with NO compensation. No grandfathering in.
2. Have them altered by the state to render then unfireable (Welded to crap) at your own cost.
3. Remove them from the State (What most did).
4. Apply for a class 3 permit for eack now banned gun. NJ has never approved any class 3 permits to anyone but police and very few of them.

Some of the guns banned were:
M1 Carbine, AR-15 and clones, M1A's, AK's any handgun designed for a magazine of over 10 rounds. and many more including shotguns.

Here is how they work it. As far as I know they never sent the NJ State Police after anyone's guns, BUT If they do catch you in possession of said contraband for any reason (house fire or any reason they might enter your home) you are done for.
Make no mistake, they want them all and it is not about safety, it's about subjecting us to their will. I don't know where this is going to end but were in for a rough time of it.
I remember when this new law passed I had friends that worked
in several gunshops and they told me the State Police came in with a portable copy machine and made copys of the yellow purchaser forums

(I forgot the # of this form) but all the now banned firearms that were legally purchased in the past. Totally against the law but it did not matter, they did it anyway.

Remember once the Second Amendment is gone it's gone for good. We only have to look at other countrys to see what they have in store for us.
Gallant Americans gave their lives for the right to keep and bare arms and we inherited that right. The Ball is in our court. If we let our freedom slip away we don't desere it.
I will not live on my knees.
 
BP guns here are firearms for legal purposes. Some of the newer inline guns have thumbhole stocks. Some changes might happen if certain "appearance" standards get acted on. Many musket models have bayonet lugs, etc. Spooky times we live in.
 
robhof

I just hope our sons and daughters in the armed services at the time realize that it's not about slavery this time, but about Becoming slaves to the Govt!!
 
Well as a Military member, I took an Oath to Uphold the Constitution of the Unites States of America, and DEFEND it against ALL Enemy's Foreign and DOMESTIC!!! I will not carry out ANY order or support ANY order that violates that oath. And I had a talk with all my brothers in my section and we ALL unanimously agreed. I believe in the patriotic beliefs of my brothers in arms and I doubt any would carry out or support such an order.
 
"BP guns here are firearms for legal purposes. Some of the newer inline guns have thumbhole stocks. Some changes might happen if certain "appearance" standards get acted on. Many musket models have bayonet lugs, etc. Spooky times we live in."


Indeed...yet Cabelas is able to ship blackpowder firearms right to my doorstep via UPS...how does that work? Because while Illinois views BP as a "firearm", BATF does not, if I am correct.
 
Thank you Deerslayer, I would hope that our soldiers would see it that way. I think the present government would use UN troops for their dirtywork in such an event that they need to murder Americans in their homes to get their agenda implemented. Pray for the best but be prepared for the worst. What they propose is clearly unconsitutional. Time will tell, either we will prevail and be hailed as patroits or fail and go down in history as terroist. History is written by the victors. I beleive the American people's worst enemy is the leftist media. They hate us and use every trick in the book to destroy our traditional way of life, they hate the Constituion unless they can use it to advance their agenda. They want you and your family in line and doing exactly what they order you to do, against you princibles or not. They want total control, of you, and your family, and they can't accomplist this while you and I are free. Remember, freedom is just a word if you don't have it, and only free men and women own guns.
 
See most Liberals "THINK" that Americans are past all that. But I personally believe you can only beat a dog so much, till he turns around and takes your hand off. just sayin.
 
What shocks me is the 'new breed' of police officers who are trained that no gun is truly legally owned. I have discussed this with many who still train at the academy after I retired and they are advising them to confiscate ALL guns encountered (legal or not) and let the owners petition the courts to get them back....FWIW
 
@ mrbatchelor,

That's got nothing to do with my wishing for anything. It would only be decided by the actions of those powers that be...
 
I really think any legislation involving black powder guns will be the black powder itself.

It's explosive and like anything else, if misused could cause harm.
 
I read through some of the articles provided in the link, being overly concerned with your own privacy and paying in cash seem to crop up a lot as "suspicious activity" :mad:

Money is for spending, and as long as I'm not breaking any laws its none of big brothers business where I am or what I do

OK, I'm done...
(steps off the soap box and goes back to work)
 
@ mrbatchelor,

That's got nothing to do with my wishing for anything. It would only be decided by the actions of those powers that be...

Well, Lewis Batchelor collected a Confederate retirement, but he isn't reported to have particularly liked the war. And Richard Batchelor was apparently a Loyalist with no record of service but no recorded open opposition to the Revolution. After all, we got the farm from George II, and biting the hand that feeds you is poor form.

So it isn't like my family doesn't have a little connection to some of the fighting. And I'd prefer we vote about it if we can. I didn't vote for the current administration. And I know for a fact that after the revolution my family was rather dividend between Federalist and Anti-Federalists. But we've never not been rabid 2A supporters.
 
Our family, from Western Kentucky, fought for the Confederacy. Though they did not believe in slavery, but neither did they appreciate the Union invading the South and they fought under those pretenses, as I was told by my Great Grandfather during a 1980 visit to Trigg County, Kentucky. The family cemetery bears testament to how hard the Union worked to destroy the South.

The Hinson family lived just down the road and were childhood friends of our family. John 'Jack' Hinson was a Confederate sniper who operated in the Devil’s Elbow region of Trigg County and survived the war with 30+ kills. A historical marker stands at that location today.

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I cannot speak for them, and if possible, a vote would be best, but you know our Government and you need look no further to see how they treated the American Indian to realize they speak with a forked tongue.

Our Government asked me to do many things that were morally and ethically wrong during my service. My military service caused me great distrust of our administration.

Keep in mind, as you read my responses below, that my wife is Black. The Civil War was not fought to free the salves. It was fought to restore the Union and the resources of the South to the benefit of the Union. Slavery was a 'politically correct' vehicle under which cloak, furthered the Union's agenda. Had the war been solely fought to free the salves, they would have been free when it ended, and alas, they were not. Slaves after the war couldn't vote, couldn't own a gun and were still treated like animals.

If it came down to it, I would rather fight than live in oppression...FWIW
 
doubt that you'll see the bad guys robbing and causing mayhem with C&B BP revolvers but I CAN see an honest citizen trying to defend house and family with one.
That been said, I doubt Obama has reserched the viability of banning BP guns.
I would think he'd see them as a Hobby rather than serious self defense guns, though they do cover the task well!
I think that the absense of supplys is nothing more than some panic buying on the Hobbiests part aand the shortage will recover sooner than the Smokeless shortage.
All Maanufacturers have "geared-up" to take up the slack.
JMHO,
ZVP
 
> DHS has reported buying ammunition in all various calibers to prevent the public from buying it...

And this is a surprise?
 
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