Strafer Gott
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It's funny, but last week I found 4 cans of primers, 10s and 11s, remmy, for a buck fifty each. Powder, well Pyrodex, is still widely available, but I bought a couple pounds anyway.
Will all the gloom and doom affect muzzleloaders
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ohen cepel
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I think lead may be the biggest challenge in the long run, price will keep going up and regulations on lead may get you in the long run.
deerslayer303
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Its HOGWASH I tell ya!! LEAD comes out of the ground, and we just put it back to where it came from!
North East Redneck
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Indy, we got us some crazy foolish laws up here.
To get said 'permit', you must take a safety class, then apply to your local LE office. Get pictured and printed and your local chief of LE will decide what if any permit you may be allowed to have. FID is lowest, non large cap rifles and shotguns, LTC B, non large cap handguns, rifles and shotguns. LTC A, anything that isn't NFA, subject to restrictions placed on license by the Chief. Class B is not allowed to carry a handgun, except hunting and range trips, weapon must be locked up during transport.
Get an OUI, no more guns. Get any misdemeanor charge, good luck getting any guns. Sure, if you wait long enough you may get your non large cap rifles and shotguns back. Then again, you may not. Subject to local authority.
To get said 'permit', you must take a safety class, then apply to your local LE office. Get pictured and printed and your local chief of LE will decide what if any permit you may be allowed to have. FID is lowest, non large cap rifles and shotguns, LTC B, non large cap handguns, rifles and shotguns. LTC A, anything that isn't NFA, subject to restrictions placed on license by the Chief. Class B is not allowed to carry a handgun, except hunting and range trips, weapon must be locked up during transport.
Get an OUI, no more guns. Get any misdemeanor charge, good luck getting any guns. Sure, if you wait long enough you may get your non large cap rifles and shotguns back. Then again, you may not. Subject to local authority.
I live in MA and have a Class A permit, so basically I can buy any gun that's for sale in MA. Some of the modern guns that I own are not Mass compliant but are grandfathered in. The problem is when I try to buy in NH or ME. ME is where I buy all my BP guns, powder, caps, etc. and I can buy any BP long gun or cap and ball revolver, but the store will not sell me a cartridge revolver, even if it's an antique. They do not want to mess with MA laws so they cover their butts when selling to a MA resident. I recently bought an original Springfield Trapdoor 50-70, and a Gallagher .54, but since they both shoot a cartridge, I had to go through a background check. Pain in the arse, annoying, but it had to be done if I wanted those guns. If I bought them in MA, I would not have needed a background check (antiques). Confusing as heck.
Understand that we are never safe. Ever. It matters not if you like semi-auto rifles or muzzleloaders, precision bolt action rifles or airguns, the anti-gun forces do not care and will not rest until they have effectively disarmed everyone. Their view of the second amendment is so childish as to be laughable. Just today I read an article in the Los Angeles Times that quoted Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa as saying "When the founders passed the 2nd amendment, they didn't have assault weapons back then. The notion that you're violating the 2nd amendment by banning assault weapons doesn't pass the history test or the laugh test. If you need a high capacity magazine with over ten bullets to hunt a deer, you're in the wrong sport".
This from one of the most powerful politicians in California.
We must be ever vigilant and never give an inch. The anti-gun forces use terms like "compromise" without ever giving up anything on their end, and "common sense restrictions" without ever using any common sense themselves. They work at driving wedges between the different factions of the shooting sports and, sadly, are oftentimes successful. How many times have you heard someone quote a "hunter" or a "gun owner" who says no one needs a high capacity magazine. Rest assured, these people are evil and cunning and know exactly what they're doing.
The best thing to do as a firearms enthusiast and a patriot is to always maintain a membership in the NRA, especially in light of the media's unrelenting attacks on all of the good people who comprise the backbone of this fine organization.
And most certainly, do not ever think they will not come after you. As an example, many years ago I belonged to an organization known as the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association. The FCSA had a bimonthly publication and NEVER got in involved in the politics of firearms. Their position was that they were gentleman shooters whose rifles were so large and costly that no one would ever consider them as anything other than sporting rifles. Of course they were wrong and in short order the .50 BMG cartridge and rifle became a media generated bogey man that was successfully legislated against and banned in the state of California - even though not one crime was ever committed by someone using a .50 BMG rifle. Needless to say, the FCSA is a very politically involved group these days.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
This from one of the most powerful politicians in California.
We must be ever vigilant and never give an inch. The anti-gun forces use terms like "compromise" without ever giving up anything on their end, and "common sense restrictions" without ever using any common sense themselves. They work at driving wedges between the different factions of the shooting sports and, sadly, are oftentimes successful. How many times have you heard someone quote a "hunter" or a "gun owner" who says no one needs a high capacity magazine. Rest assured, these people are evil and cunning and know exactly what they're doing.
The best thing to do as a firearms enthusiast and a patriot is to always maintain a membership in the NRA, especially in light of the media's unrelenting attacks on all of the good people who comprise the backbone of this fine organization.
And most certainly, do not ever think they will not come after you. As an example, many years ago I belonged to an organization known as the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association. The FCSA had a bimonthly publication and NEVER got in involved in the politics of firearms. Their position was that they were gentleman shooters whose rifles were so large and costly that no one would ever consider them as anything other than sporting rifles. Of course they were wrong and in short order the .50 BMG cartridge and rifle became a media generated bogey man that was successfully legislated against and banned in the state of California - even though not one crime was ever committed by someone using a .50 BMG rifle. Needless to say, the FCSA is a very politically involved group these days.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
mrbatchelor
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I don't think they could legally sell an out of state resident a handgun. A long gun is fair game. But I believe you cannot purchase a handgun out of state regardless of where it is. It has to be shipped between two FFLs to cross state line for transfer.
Likewise, for the cartridge rifle, they're following their state law, which doesn't recognize the background check associated with a "foreign" permit like your MA Class A.
I dare say you would find exactly the same procedure anywhere you go in the country. It isn't just ME law. It's the GCA 1968.
FWIW, I agree with prob. I really think it boils down to power, the antis want all guns (including BP) and as has been said bb guns, knives, and pointy sticks because its easy to strongarm someone who's defenseless. Those who have all the power often use it to subjugate those who are powerless.
I'm referring to antique handguns, which they can legally sell if they want to (if the pre-1898 ammo involved is obsolete or unconventional, which it is). But this store's policy is that if they have even one round of an obsolete or unconventional cartridge for sale, then it's not obsolete or unconventional. They will sell an antique cartridge revolver to a NH resident, but not a MA resident. But they'll sell me a cap and ball revolver with no background check, no permit check, not even a driver's license check.
Truthfully, with the laws in the mess they're in, I don't blame the store. Antique cartridge ammo is definitely a gray area.
North East Redneck
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Pohill,
I'm also an LTC A holder, and while I can see what you are saying, you know first hand how insane the laws are in Mass. I can understand the store owners fears of becoming tangled up in a mess. Not saying that your view is wrong. Just that I can see the other side of it too. Would the store perhaps ship the gun to your local FFL? I know its a pain in the ass, but it could be a way of purchasing the gun/guns you wish to buy.
I'm also an LTC A holder, and while I can see what you are saying, you know first hand how insane the laws are in Mass. I can understand the store owners fears of becoming tangled up in a mess. Not saying that your view is wrong. Just that I can see the other side of it too. Would the store perhaps ship the gun to your local FFL? I know its a pain in the ass, but it could be a way of purchasing the gun/guns you wish to buy.
Like I said, I don't blame the store but it can get out of hand. For example, the Gallagher .54 uses a cartridge without a primer - ignition is via a musket cap on a nipple. They did not have to do a background check for that gun. They will not deal with a MA FFL at all, and they will not ship an antique to MA.
But it all works out. Background checks are quick and painless. They have a good supply of antiques, repros, powder, caps, balls and bullets, enough to keep me coming back.
But it all works out. Background checks are quick and painless. They have a good supply of antiques, repros, powder, caps, balls and bullets, enough to keep me coming back.
dickydalton
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They WILL come for your Black Powder weapons after they get the rest. Do NOT let this happen!
Bishop Creek
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dickydalton you are correct! The anti-gun groups stated years ago (back in the 1980s) that they would like to disarm Civil War reenactors who use muzzle loaders.
I expect that in the end, no federal legislation will pass that restricts any gun rights, including muzzleloaders. I also expect that any executive orders will merely be ineffective window dressing that, at best, will give the appearance of protecting society while actually doing nothing.
I don't say that because I think that proponents of the legislation and executive orders will give up, but because the opposition to those things will overwhelm any support.
I'm surprised by the number of folks in my area who don't care to own guns, but also don't want to see any further restrictions placed on them. It's very heartening to me. I have no idea if it's a national trend or just something local, but I like it.
I don't say that because I think that proponents of the legislation and executive orders will give up, but because the opposition to those things will overwhelm any support.
I'm surprised by the number of folks in my area who don't care to own guns, but also don't want to see any further restrictions placed on them. It's very heartening to me. I have no idea if it's a national trend or just something local, but I like it.
maillemaker
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This is my belief as well. I hope no one is out there thinking that just because you shoot black powder that this issue does not concern you. Remember that old saying, "When they came for the Catholics, I didn't speak up because I wasn't Catholic..." and so on, until no one was left to speak up when they came for you.
The President's executive orders are largely harmless. That is because the President is not a king and cannot pass legislation directly. It's unlikely that there will be any legislation will be passed. In fact it is unlikely that the currently proposed AWB will even be allowed for a vote - they won't risk voting on it if they don't have the votes to win because then everyone who voted for it will get voted out of office for nothing.
We are probably pretty safe with black powder guns...until someone goes on a shooting spree with a pair of BP revolvers or a repeating carbine.
Steve
I doubt the guns will go, but I'm not so sure about the powder and caps. All you've got to do to ruin and old muzzle loader is to make the ammo illegal. They can do that too. I'm sure some will try. I don't trust the feds any further than I can throw them by their eyelashes.