Will a .300 Win Mag Really Kill Better Than a .30-06?

I wasn't biasing it because of anti personnel round, I was showing that the 309WM reaches velocities and energy transfers a lot closer to a .338LM with the proper ammo. I have shot this rifle at well over 1400 yards, my gunsmith hit a mile with it. I would never take a shot a game at a range beyond 400 yards with ANY rifle. Humans are a different story, we are fragile and weak. A man struck at 1000 yards with Mk248 Mod1 is like shooting them at <10 meters with a 9 mm.

I was just pointing out that even the "old antiquated belted cartridge" can resurrected with a proper twist, load and projectile.
 
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Shot a cow elk at 340 yards last fall with a 150 gr 270 Win. Right in the boiler plate. Sucker dropped, then rolled down the hill landing in a creek.

Bullet went in, destroyed the lungs and exited.

If I would have use a '06, 150 gr bullet, and put it in the same spot, pass through and it would have dropped and rolled down the hill into a creek.

If I used a 300 WM, using a 150 gr bullet, put it in the same spot, it would have passed through, the critter would have dropped, rolled down hill and landed in the creek.

Which of the three bullets is the most deadly? (at 340 yards hitting the boiler plate, going through and destroying the lungs). Maybe it wouldn't have rolled into the creek though, no way of knowing. But it wasn't really that big of a creek.

The real difference is the rifle shooting the bullets. My 270 is a Winchester Featherweight. I was hunting in the mountains at 9500 ft, which didn't help my COPD. Plus do to the recoil I can shoot it better.

I have a 300 WM, and several '06s, there is no doubt if I'd been packing those rifles in the Big Horns, at the same time and same place, I would have been worn out, it would have taken me more time to catch my breath so I could shoot, and then I'm not sure I could have put the bullet in the same place.

Maybe some of you young folks don't mind carrying a 10 lb rifle in the mountains, but not me.

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There's a utoob video of a doe getting absolutely dropped by a 300WinMag taken in the chest, quartering towards the hunter. There's another utoob video of a doe taking a 300WinMag (perhaps a 300WSM) broadside in the ribs and it runs out of the frame of the camera and then turns around and runs back into the frame and out again. I always suspected the bullet for that second video had a bullet that failed to expand.
 
There's a utoob video of a doe getting absolutely dropped by a 300WinMag taken in the chest, quartering towards the hunter. There's another utoob video of a doe taking a 300WinMag (perhaps a 300WSM) broadside in the ribs and it runs out of the frame of the camera and then turns around and runs back into the frame and out again. I always suspected the bullet for that second video had a bullet that failed to expand.
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Nah, it's just two bullets that didn't hit the same animal with the same energy at the same angle and in the same spot. Killing things is not that reliable. I've seen deer get hit with a 7mm-08 handgun firing a 110gr bullet at 2,800 fps and they drop where they stand while another get's hit with a 300gr 45 cal bullet at 2,300fps that blows a softball side hole in the other side of the animal but the thing runs 75 yards.

That's why I ALWAYS laugh when I see "Every deer I've ever shot..." statements. The only thing every deer somebody ever shot did was something different than every other deer they shot.
 
Ahhhh, mid winter ballistic threads...

Out to 500 yards I do not think there is a meaningful difference in the ability of the 3006 and the various fast 30's to kill game. One could add the 7mmrm, the 280, the 308, and a raft of others to the list.

The difference in ballistics with most modern bottleneck cartridges out to 500 yards is not worth talking about.

While dead is dead I have noticed a tendency for the faster cartridges to bloodshot meat more - think fast 30's, 7mrm, 264wm, etc.

If it were me I would take 3006 over the fast 30's and then a 338wm over a375h&h.
 
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The only thing every deer somebody ever shot did was something different than every other deer they shot.
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Lol well said.

Though CNS shots usually lead to DRT i've never seen one take a good shot to the brain or spinal cord and run.
 
Well, let me just repeat what has undoubtedly been already said...the .300WinMag is better than the .30-06 or the .308 for power and trajectory at longer range. And that is likely about all.
I own a .308 (Ruger American) and a .300WinMag (Savage 111 Hunter). I find the recoil not too much different, but that's likely because the Savage weighs more than the Ruger. And neither hurt my shoulder. My 12ga does, after a 100 rounds or so LOL (Remington 870)
 
I have lost track of how many 30-06 and 300Win Mag rifles I own, and I have never killed anything with either.

But I have killed a lot of ruminants with 257R, 270, and 7mmRemMag.

None of them ever seem to know what they were killed with.
But they sure react differently based on where they were hit.
 
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