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Glock cannot fix the shooter or the ammo.
If you do not like Glocks, do not use them.
If you do not like Glocks, do not use them.
WHY WONT GLOCK FIX THE PROBLEM?
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Well I have handled and shot a G 36 that fired at least two rounds of 40 S&W by accident. A gunshop in my area kept the first G 36 as a trial gun for people interested in it.
They invited several of there main customers over the sunday after they got the G 36 and put at least several hundred rounds thru it.
There were several other glocks being fired and one person when loading for the G 36 put some 40 S&W round into the mag.
Fired once and it didn't seem to function just right fired again and had a jam.
Only the one 40 case that stuck in the gun was recovered. The gun seems to be none the worse for wear. And has had several hundred rounds of 45 thru it since.
NOTE: I don't recomend shooting 40 in a 45 this was a foul up by the person loading and shooting. I have seen the 40 case, which is now fire formed to 45-40S&W (or is it 40SW-45?)
They invited several of there main customers over the sunday after they got the G 36 and put at least several hundred rounds thru it.
There were several other glocks being fired and one person when loading for the G 36 put some 40 S&W round into the mag.
Fired once and it didn't seem to function just right fired again and had a jam.
Only the one 40 case that stuck in the gun was recovered. The gun seems to be none the worse for wear. And has had several hundred rounds of 45 thru it since.
NOTE: I don't recomend shooting 40 in a 45 this was a foul up by the person loading and shooting. I have seen the 40 case, which is now fire formed to 45-40S&W (or is it 40SW-45?)
David Roberson
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Some personal data points from which you can draw whatever you wish:
A couple of years ago my brother had a kB! in a Glock .40, shooting reloads. The case that ruptured was made by Fiocchi. That same year he also had a kB! in an Astra .40, again using reloads, and again the ruptured case was a Fiocchi. Last year I had a kB! in my Browning HP .40, using reloads. The ruptured case was -- what a surprise -- made by Fiocchi.
Dunno about you guys, but I do not deduce from this that Glock .40s are somehow flawed. I do, however, cull my .40 caliber brass supply periodically and throw away any cases with the dreaded Fiocchi headstamp (GFI).
I should note that I have had no trouble with Fiocchi factory .40 -- in fact, it is quite hot, and would probably work well in social situations. But I suspect that the hot loads may weaken the cases too much for safe handloading. I'm not using them any more.
I've had no problems with .45 reloads in Fiocchi brass, nor have other handloaders I know.
A couple of years ago my brother had a kB! in a Glock .40, shooting reloads. The case that ruptured was made by Fiocchi. That same year he also had a kB! in an Astra .40, again using reloads, and again the ruptured case was a Fiocchi. Last year I had a kB! in my Browning HP .40, using reloads. The ruptured case was -- what a surprise -- made by Fiocchi.
Dunno about you guys, but I do not deduce from this that Glock .40s are somehow flawed. I do, however, cull my .40 caliber brass supply periodically and throw away any cases with the dreaded Fiocchi headstamp (GFI).
I should note that I have had no trouble with Fiocchi factory .40 -- in fact, it is quite hot, and would probably work well in social situations. But I suspect that the hot loads may weaken the cases too much for safe handloading. I'm not using them any more.
I've had no problems with .45 reloads in Fiocchi brass, nor have other handloaders I know.
parabellum
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I noticed in the link posted by TaxPhd that the shooter was using handloads. Since all my Glocks are 9mm, and I shoot only factory ammo through them, I'm not very concerned about this. However, I, too had never heard of a documented Glock 9mm Kb. Interesting reading.
Keith Rogan
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1. There IS a problem.
2. Glock will never "fix" the problem because that is tacit admission of #1, opening them up to lawsuits.
3. Other designs (the 1911) have similar problems (a partially unsupported chamber) but because they are in lower pressure rounds like .45 acp, they rarely "ka-boom".
4. Problem or not, the design is quite safe in every caliber with factory jacketed ammo.
If you like the design, buy one. If you want to shoot reloads or cast bullets, buy an after-market barrel and shoot away. Why worry about it? Every gun has loads it likes and loads it doesn't.
As long as you recognize the problem, you have no problem!
If you don't believe there is a problem and you shoot hot reloads or cast bullets anyway, then I wish you luck.
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2. Glock will never "fix" the problem because that is tacit admission of #1, opening them up to lawsuits.
3. Other designs (the 1911) have similar problems (a partially unsupported chamber) but because they are in lower pressure rounds like .45 acp, they rarely "ka-boom".
4. Problem or not, the design is quite safe in every caliber with factory jacketed ammo.
If you like the design, buy one. If you want to shoot reloads or cast bullets, buy an after-market barrel and shoot away. Why worry about it? Every gun has loads it likes and loads it doesn't.
As long as you recognize the problem, you have no problem!
If you don't believe there is a problem and you shoot hot reloads or cast bullets anyway, then I wish you luck.
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Ironically, the only Glock kB! that I have ever seen physical evidence of with my own eyes is from a 9mm (G19). One of my coworkers at the store bought my boss's old G19, one of the first ones. It has a five digit serial #, the slide is worn to a dull grey, and despite having in excess of 25k shots fired, it has all the original parts (including the recoil spring). The culprit? A round of 9mm subgun ammo that snuck into a jar of assorted 9mm pistol ammo plus the tired recoil spring equals slightly early unlocking which left us a spectacularly ruptured case to wow the locals with. (Along with my 9x19mm brass necked up to .40 cal by being fired in a G23).
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WalterGAII
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I blew up my Glock 21; don't know how one could blame it on Glock, as I was using an aftermarket barrel with a "supported" chamber. I let a reloaded .400 Cor-Bon setback, during a feedramp jam. Thanks to the excellent design of Glock pistols, I received no injuries. I don't consider it poor customer service that Glock sold me a new G21 for $250, plus taxes, considering that I was using an aftermarket barrel with my reloads, and that I screwed up. They also gave me my orginal Glock barrel back, threw in a free set of Trijicons, returned my aftermarket connnector, and the blown-up aftermarket barrel.
I believe that ordnance experts can tell when a KaBoom is caused by a bad reload. It's probably not rocket science.
I've shot over 25,000 rounds of .45 and .400 Cor-Bon reloads through my Glocks, with only one KaBoom, that was my fault. I've shot .45's until the cases split, using the factory Glock barrel, with absolutely no problems. The reason the Glock chamber isn't as tight as a match chamber is obviously for feeding reliability. I also own a couple of 70 Series Gold Cups. They're o.k. for anachronisms, but they generally stay in the safe and the Glocks get the hell shot out of them.
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I believe that ordnance experts can tell when a KaBoom is caused by a bad reload. It's probably not rocket science.
I've shot over 25,000 rounds of .45 and .400 Cor-Bon reloads through my Glocks, with only one KaBoom, that was my fault. I've shot .45's until the cases split, using the factory Glock barrel, with absolutely no problems. The reason the Glock chamber isn't as tight as a match chamber is obviously for feeding reliability. I also own a couple of 70 Series Gold Cups. They're o.k. for anachronisms, but they generally stay in the safe and the Glocks get the hell shot out of them.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TaxPhd:
johnwill,
For a documented case of a 9mm KB, check out http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum22/HTML/001032.html for a discussion of the G19 KB I had.
If that isn't documented enough, a call to Chris Edwards at Glock should clear it up. Glock replaced the frame, and rebuilt this pistol.
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Nothing in that thread proves to me that it wasn't a case of a bad reload or bad brass. In point of fact, you you take the trouble to look at the 9mm Glock stock barrel and almost any other 9mm pistol stock barrel, you'll see that the Glock barrel offers the same support as most any other 9mm semiauto. I just personally (again) compared my two 9mm Glocks to a Keltec P11, a WWII Luger, and a Daewoo DP51. All have similar unsupported area on the brass, and that area is very small for all of these guns.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>And before any of you spout off about improper reloads, I will ask the question again. How has anyone determined, after the fact, that faulty reloading is the culprit in a Glock KB???
You state, "I have seen a .45 that was blown up with a double charge, but I can't fault the gun for that kind of abuse." Please, tell us how it was determined that a double charge occured, after the fact.[/quote]
I determined that because of the split barrel, the cracked slide, and the obvious force that was expended. If you think that a case failure or firing out of battery is likely to do that damage, I guess you're free to disbelieve my report.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Please forgive the tone of this post. No flame is intended. Yours is just the most recent of many posts to attribute KB's to poor reloads. And while it may seem logical, it appears as if people are merely speculating, repeating"gun shop folklore," and passing on conjecture as fact.[/quote]
Well, you'll have to forgive the tone of my post too, because you're spouting off about something that you know nothing about! I rarely speculate about such things without labeling it as speculation, and I'm not speculating in the case of the .45 that I personally inspected.
In the case of your Glock problem, I still don't see any evidence that that round wouldn't have caused the same problem in any 9mm pistol. The rarity of such problems in the 9mm Glock pistols is a fact, not conjecture on my part. However, problems with reloads are a much more common problem. How you can be so sure that it's the pistol's fault escapes me. I'm also curious as to how you can be so sure that your reload didn't in fact have a problem. Are you really so perfect that you never make a mistake? The fact that Glock repaired the pistol is more a tribute to their customer relations than to any "fact" that it was the Glock's fault.
johnwill,
For a documented case of a 9mm KB, check out http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum22/HTML/001032.html for a discussion of the G19 KB I had.
If that isn't documented enough, a call to Chris Edwards at Glock should clear it up. Glock replaced the frame, and rebuilt this pistol.
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Nothing in that thread proves to me that it wasn't a case of a bad reload or bad brass. In point of fact, you you take the trouble to look at the 9mm Glock stock barrel and almost any other 9mm pistol stock barrel, you'll see that the Glock barrel offers the same support as most any other 9mm semiauto. I just personally (again) compared my two 9mm Glocks to a Keltec P11, a WWII Luger, and a Daewoo DP51. All have similar unsupported area on the brass, and that area is very small for all of these guns.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>And before any of you spout off about improper reloads, I will ask the question again. How has anyone determined, after the fact, that faulty reloading is the culprit in a Glock KB???
You state, "I have seen a .45 that was blown up with a double charge, but I can't fault the gun for that kind of abuse." Please, tell us how it was determined that a double charge occured, after the fact.[/quote]
I determined that because of the split barrel, the cracked slide, and the obvious force that was expended. If you think that a case failure or firing out of battery is likely to do that damage, I guess you're free to disbelieve my report.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Please forgive the tone of this post. No flame is intended. Yours is just the most recent of many posts to attribute KB's to poor reloads. And while it may seem logical, it appears as if people are merely speculating, repeating"gun shop folklore," and passing on conjecture as fact.[/quote]
Well, you'll have to forgive the tone of my post too, because you're spouting off about something that you know nothing about! I rarely speculate about such things without labeling it as speculation, and I'm not speculating in the case of the .45 that I personally inspected.
In the case of your Glock problem, I still don't see any evidence that that round wouldn't have caused the same problem in any 9mm pistol. The rarity of such problems in the 9mm Glock pistols is a fact, not conjecture on my part. However, problems with reloads are a much more common problem. How you can be so sure that it's the pistol's fault escapes me. I'm also curious as to how you can be so sure that your reload didn't in fact have a problem. Are you really so perfect that you never make a mistake? The fact that Glock repaired the pistol is more a tribute to their customer relations than to any "fact" that it was the Glock's fault.
thequickad
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Just to be fair, I have also seen my shares of KBs with my friends' SIG, S&W all with "RELOADS". Let's not forget the reloading process is very manual and procedure intensive, one mistake and you could have forgotten a step.
Really can't blame Glock for the KB if it's shooter error, especially with RELOADS.
Really can't blame Glock for the KB if it's shooter error, especially with RELOADS.
Captain Bligh
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Roberson:
The case that ruptured was made by Fiocchi. That same year he also had a kB! in an Astra .40, again using reloads, and again the ruptured case was a Fiocchi. Last year I had a kB! in my Browning HP .40, using reloads. The ruptured case was -- what a surprise -- made by Fiocchi.
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Bad statistics if ever I saw it. What percentage of the total cases he shot that day were Fiocchi? If that's what a lot of the reloads were in, probability is greater that that's where the kbs were. Perhaps if he had bad reloads and there were no Fiocchi cases, you'd be throwing out some other manufacturer's brass.
Just a thought. Correlation does not prove causation. I stayed awake that day in Statistics class.
RJ
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The case that ruptured was made by Fiocchi. That same year he also had a kB! in an Astra .40, again using reloads, and again the ruptured case was a Fiocchi. Last year I had a kB! in my Browning HP .40, using reloads. The ruptured case was -- what a surprise -- made by Fiocchi.
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Bad statistics if ever I saw it. What percentage of the total cases he shot that day were Fiocchi? If that's what a lot of the reloads were in, probability is greater that that's where the kbs were. Perhaps if he had bad reloads and there were no Fiocchi cases, you'd be throwing out some other manufacturer's brass.
Just a thought. Correlation does not prove causation. I stayed awake that day in Statistics class.
RJ
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johnwill,
You seem to be missing the essence of my post. Let's go through it again.
You stated that you hadn't seen a documented case of a 9mm Glock with that problem. I provided evidence of a documented case, OF A KB IN A 9MM GLOCK. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then, you state, "Nothing in that thread proves to me that it wasn't a case of a bad reload or bad brass." I pointed out that thread as proof of a KB in a 9mm Glock. Nothing else.
In reference to the blown up .45, you state, "I determined that because of the split barrel, the cracked slide, and the obvious force that was expended. If you think that a case failure or firing out of battery is likely to do that damage, I guess you're free to disbelieve my report."
It appears as if someone was asleep during their Logic class. Let's examine the faulty syllogism that you have created here.
The major premise is stated - A .45 was blown up. The minor premise isn't stated, but is clear from your post - Only a double charge would blow up a .45 (not a case failure, or firing out of battery, etc.).
Therefore, your syllogism is as follows:
1. A .45 was blown up.
2. Only double charges cause .45's to blow up.
Therefore, there must have been a double charge. QED
Notice a problem with #2? Could a bullet lodged in the barrel blow up a gun? Sure. Could something else, other than a double charge blow up a gun? Of course.
Now, I am not disbelieving your post that a .45 was blown up. You may very well be correct that a double charge was the reason. I am simply pointing out that you don't know if a double charge was the reason.
If you read my various posts on the subject of Glock KB's, you will notice that I have not said that it is necesarily a pistol problem and not a reload problem. There are a number of things that can make a pistol KB.
What I have been consistent in pointing out is that after a KB has occured, it is virtually impossible to attribute the KB to reloading error. I would be interested to see any empirical evidence that anyone has that can substantiate the claim that Glock KB's are caused by faulty reloading.
Another of your points merits response - "The rarity of such problems in the 9mm Glock pistols is a fact, not conjecture on my part." Sorry to burst your bubble, but facts are established based on evidence, not the collective wisdom driven by relating anecdotes. Please, show me that data that establishes this "Fact." Now, johnwill, don't misunderstand me. I believe that you are correct that 9mm Glock KB's are a rare event. But I would never report that as fact, as neither I (nor anyone else, I'm quite confident) has the data to support it.
This is fun, so let's keep going.
You further state, "How you can be so sure that it's the pistol's fault escapes me. I'm also curious as to how you can be so sure that your reload didn't in fact have a problem. Are you really so perfect that you never make a mistake?"
Reread my posts. I am absolutely NOT sure as to the cause of the KB that I experienced. In my post I pointed out that THE MOST LIKELY CAUSE was brass failure (based on my analysis, as well as that of a Glock Armorer). Please, show me where I blame the pistol.
I never said that I was sure that the reload wasn't at fault. It isn't likely, but it could happen. I've had reloading mistakes before. Velocity extreme spreads and SD's have been a little high at times, but I've never had a double charge.
Until someone comes up with a large amount of data, all we have are anecdotes. Anecdotes which people like johnwill and others continue to pass off as fact, but as I pointed out before, are nothing more than speculation and conjecture.
Sorry to have gored your sacred cow. If you want to continue jousting, let's go, as I'm still having fun.
However, you might want to brush up on your logic before the next round. I'd hate to see you continue clinging to an untenable position.
You seem to be missing the essence of my post. Let's go through it again.
You stated that you hadn't seen a documented case of a 9mm Glock with that problem. I provided evidence of a documented case, OF A KB IN A 9MM GLOCK. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then, you state, "Nothing in that thread proves to me that it wasn't a case of a bad reload or bad brass." I pointed out that thread as proof of a KB in a 9mm Glock. Nothing else.
In reference to the blown up .45, you state, "I determined that because of the split barrel, the cracked slide, and the obvious force that was expended. If you think that a case failure or firing out of battery is likely to do that damage, I guess you're free to disbelieve my report."
It appears as if someone was asleep during their Logic class. Let's examine the faulty syllogism that you have created here.
The major premise is stated - A .45 was blown up. The minor premise isn't stated, but is clear from your post - Only a double charge would blow up a .45 (not a case failure, or firing out of battery, etc.).
Therefore, your syllogism is as follows:
1. A .45 was blown up.
2. Only double charges cause .45's to blow up.
Therefore, there must have been a double charge. QED
Notice a problem with #2? Could a bullet lodged in the barrel blow up a gun? Sure. Could something else, other than a double charge blow up a gun? Of course.
Now, I am not disbelieving your post that a .45 was blown up. You may very well be correct that a double charge was the reason. I am simply pointing out that you don't know if a double charge was the reason.
If you read my various posts on the subject of Glock KB's, you will notice that I have not said that it is necesarily a pistol problem and not a reload problem. There are a number of things that can make a pistol KB.
What I have been consistent in pointing out is that after a KB has occured, it is virtually impossible to attribute the KB to reloading error. I would be interested to see any empirical evidence that anyone has that can substantiate the claim that Glock KB's are caused by faulty reloading.
Another of your points merits response - "The rarity of such problems in the 9mm Glock pistols is a fact, not conjecture on my part." Sorry to burst your bubble, but facts are established based on evidence, not the collective wisdom driven by relating anecdotes. Please, show me that data that establishes this "Fact." Now, johnwill, don't misunderstand me. I believe that you are correct that 9mm Glock KB's are a rare event. But I would never report that as fact, as neither I (nor anyone else, I'm quite confident) has the data to support it.
This is fun, so let's keep going.
You further state, "How you can be so sure that it's the pistol's fault escapes me. I'm also curious as to how you can be so sure that your reload didn't in fact have a problem. Are you really so perfect that you never make a mistake?"
Reread my posts. I am absolutely NOT sure as to the cause of the KB that I experienced. In my post I pointed out that THE MOST LIKELY CAUSE was brass failure (based on my analysis, as well as that of a Glock Armorer). Please, show me where I blame the pistol.
I never said that I was sure that the reload wasn't at fault. It isn't likely, but it could happen. I've had reloading mistakes before. Velocity extreme spreads and SD's have been a little high at times, but I've never had a double charge.
Until someone comes up with a large amount of data, all we have are anecdotes. Anecdotes which people like johnwill and others continue to pass off as fact, but as I pointed out before, are nothing more than speculation and conjecture.
Sorry to have gored your sacred cow. If you want to continue jousting, let's go, as I'm still having fun.
However, you might want to brush up on your logic before the next round. I'd hate to see you continue clinging to an untenable position.Rainbow Six
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Oh yeah? Well...my dad can beat up your dad!!
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BrokenArrow
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Sheriffs dept here (Albuquerque NM) has blown up 40/45 Glocks (ruptured barrel, cracked slide/frame) w Rem factory ammo and cheap reloaded training ammo. Same stuff worked fine in S&Ws, SIGs and USPs (just blew cases, no gun damage).
They changed ammo, still issue Glocks, but the SIG/USP became more popular optional choices.
I don't think it's worth worrying about as much as some do. The Glock chambers _are_ looser, they _are_ thinner, and they _do_ have less case support. You are closer to the edge when Mr. Murphy calls.
Contact Mike Dunlap of the Amarillo TX PD if ya want an earful about numerous kBd Glock 45s too.
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They changed ammo, still issue Glocks, but the SIG/USP became more popular optional choices.
I don't think it's worth worrying about as much as some do. The Glock chambers _are_ looser, they _are_ thinner, and they _do_ have less case support. You are closer to the edge when Mr. Murphy calls.
Contact Mike Dunlap of the Amarillo TX PD if ya want an earful about numerous kBd Glock 45s too.
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The standard Glock .40 barrel has less support in the 6 o'clock chamber opening and the chamber itself is looser than Sigs. The Glock chamber walls are also a bit thinner, although I don't know if this matters, generally speaking.
A gun with less chamber support will most likely blow before a gun with a well supported chamber, if both are using the same lousy factory and/or bad reloads.
Why doesn't someone put this to rest and simply test it out in a lab environment. I'll even send a $10 donation to help fund the project. Are ya with me
A gun with less chamber support will most likely blow before a gun with a well supported chamber, if both are using the same lousy factory and/or bad reloads.
Why doesn't someone put this to rest and simply test it out in a lab environment. I'll even send a $10 donation to help fund the project. Are ya with me
Rainbow Six
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Better yet, just send all your Glocks to me and I'll report any and all KB's to you guys.
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The Glock freak formerly known as Chris...
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We have one reported Kb! of a Glock 20 with a stock barrel. So far,
the importer (Schlaefli&Zbinden) replaced the gun without a lot of
questions, however, we had to buy a Bar-Sto barrel at the same time.
Probably cured the problem, we just had a few casings go foxtrot
uniform when the folks want to go too close to the edge.
OTOH, we have a Glock 20 in excess of 45K shots and it never went kb!.
When reloading in a progressive, just don't too close to the edge and
usually, you stay safe. Also, in 10mm, don't shoot lead.
the importer (Schlaefli&Zbinden) replaced the gun without a lot of
questions, however, we had to buy a Bar-Sto barrel at the same time.
Probably cured the problem, we just had a few casings go foxtrot
uniform when the folks want to go too close to the edge.
OTOH, we have a Glock 20 in excess of 45K shots and it never went kb!.
When reloading in a progressive, just don't too close to the edge and
usually, you stay safe. Also, in 10mm, don't shoot lead.
You can go over to Glocktalk.com and hear a very well-documented case of a Glock 30 (.45acp)kB. He was using reloads. Glock says don't use reloads, don't use lead. I have a G27 I trust with my life. I don't lay in bed at night worrying about a kB. 1911's, Sigs, HK's all go kB. .357 sig, .40, 9mm, .45 all go kB. If you reload, you'd better get a conventional barrel (i.e., no polygonal rifling, better supported chamber). For me, my hands and eyes are too precious to reload. I shoot factory ammo only. The reason there are more kB in Glocks is that there are more Glocks, and more people shooting lead and reloads in them than other pistols. If you are worried about your Glock blowing up, please send it to me. I'll make sure it gets a good home!
While we are on the topic of chronic gun problems, lets talk about the firing pin breakage problems in the H&K USP .45s.
Then there is the necessity of the Beretta factory, putting slide retention devices on the 92Fs, to keep the slide on the frame in the event of breakage.
OTOH we could talk about the frame cracking problems on the Sig 226s.
But its more fun to slam Glock about Kabooms. I have been a LEO Firearms Instructor for 18 years and have never had a problem with any of our Glocks. Nor have I heard of any Kabooms in Glocks at any of the seminars or schools, that I have attended. But, I like others have heard the rummors, and if its on the Internet its gotta be the truth.
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Then there is the necessity of the Beretta factory, putting slide retention devices on the 92Fs, to keep the slide on the frame in the event of breakage.
OTOH we could talk about the frame cracking problems on the Sig 226s.
But its more fun to slam Glock about Kabooms. I have been a LEO Firearms Instructor for 18 years and have never had a problem with any of our Glocks. Nor have I heard of any Kabooms in Glocks at any of the seminars or schools, that I have attended. But, I like others have heard the rummors, and if its on the Internet its gotta be the truth.
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