Why not carry the .22 and .25acp as a primary defense gun?

[Wildalaska]

I'll carry a bigger gun on a the rare "if "when folks who say "you need one" wear lightning rods on their head

WildthatsrareAlaska TM

I don't need any gun. I chose to carry one on an if basis. I chose to be comfortable when I do it. I carry one based on probablities. My probabilities don't require a 1911....but if Im walking in the park, my probablities would require a shotgun but I will chose a 44....life is all about choices

 

[David Armstrong]

My question is why don't they carry what they compete with?

Because they realize that there is little, if anything, that will make a difference in a DGU the big gun can do that the smaller gun won't also do.

I just refuse to buy into the "I cannot conceal a mid-size or full-size pistol" for most people.

Again, so what? For most it has nothing to do with "I cannot" and everything to do with "why should I". I carried an N-frame S&W for quite a while, and a 1911 for a long time. I can conceal them just fine if I want to carry them. But I don't. Most people don't. Most people are quite comfortable carrying a gun that will adequately serve their needs, and see no need to discomfort themselves for something that is rarer in their life than being struck by lightening.

But when those circumstances arrive I'm under no illusion about my ability to hit very well and quickly with it as compared to any mid-sized semiautomatic pistol.

It's nice that you recognize your own limitations. However, once again, it is not about comparison, it is about what is needed to do the job.

It's pathetic, but there it is. Modern-day Americans - Wimpus Americanus.

What is perhaps more pathetic is this idea you have that unless everyone follows your dictates and dresses how you want them to and carries what you want them to they are somehow less of a man. Sounds a whole lot like you have a number of unresolved issues, and the concerns for a big gun might be a symptom of them.

 

[David Armstrong]

Dishonest? Like saying almost never is different than "rare".

Yes, dishonest. And "rare" is quite different than almost never, at least in the context of DGU incidents. 1 in 200 is rare, 1 in 2,000,000,000 is almost never.

Like over looking my point that the civilian use of a concealed weapon is extremely low yet folks like us still carry.

Didn't overlook at at all. In fact, I addressed it directly by pointing out that the lifetime chance of a DGU was very different (much higher probability) than the likelihood of caliber making a difference in the outcome.

Like advocating a caliber you know is simply not capable of consistently causing the damage needed to stop an assault especially under the pressure of an armed conflict.

Once again you are making things up. I have not advocated any such thing. I have said that this nonsense about all the damage needed to stop an assault is just that, nonsense.

Who's being dishonest here David?

Uh, you. That is what I keep pointing out.

By your own words you know a civilian gun use event is "rare". Still you carry.

Yes. I also know that deadly car wrecks are also rare, but I continue to drive.

Seems much less a gap than needing the gun to begin with.

Yeah, I know. We've discussed this apparent inability of you to understand basic concepts of probability and relative likelihoods of occurrence before. That statement shows that you haven't changed in that regard.

You OTOH prepare for rare but not very rare....that seems hypocritical. Especially when the difference is only a few ounces away.

LOL!! This from a man who admits to carrying what many consider a compromise gun in a compromise caliber! The same could be said of you, my friend. FWIW I'd suggest there is a much greater difference in ounces between my Beretta 21 or my Airweight Smith and say, a loaded Glock 23, and a loaded Glock 23 and a Glock 22, or a Glock 21. Gosh, how hypocritical of you!

 

[PT111]

I'll carry a bigger gun on a the rare "if "when folks who say "you need one" wear lightning rods on their head

I have never actually needed my pistol but still carry a P3AT. However I have been hit by lightning 4 times but don't wear a lightning rod. Maybe I need to examine my priorities.

 

[45Marlin carbine]

I carried a Hi-Standard .22Mag double-derringer for a few years. I know fellers that have .25acp semi's they sometimes carry. but a .32acp isn't much larger and has more 'punch'. that's what I have now along with a Mak. both I practice with every so often, but not as often as I'd like (or likely need to).

 

[Capt. Charlie]

It's hard to believe that this thread generated 165 posts, but then, caliber wars appear to be never-ending anyhow .

At any rate, it's been going 'round and 'round the mulberry bush for some time now, and now it's starting... just starting, mind you, to take a downward turn.

All threads have a life span, and this one's bordering on geriatric. Still, at 165 posts, I have to hand it to you guys for keeping it relatively civil. So, let's say good night to this one while we're still on the high road, and let it be remembered as one of the few this size that remained so .

Closed.