Unfortunately the 25, 30, and 32 Rem offered no advantage over other Winchester cartridges at the time.
Ruger, how about a 10mm Ranch Rifle?Winchester compared the .401 WSL to .30-40 Krag but it is not equal in velocity or energy.
There is a 30-30 in an AR
Why not [a] .30-30 semi-auto?
Because that ballistic niche is already filled by the 7.62x39 and, more recently, the .300BLK.
Well said!I don't think the ballistic properties alone are the reasons. In fact, I'd put its ballistic performance at the bottom of the list. Or you may think of it as the base requirement. It's the factors beyond that which are the primary reason we don't see a semi-auto .30-30.
I think the single biggest factor is simply market demand, with #2 being the semi auto rifles available.
The .30 Remington was developed in 1906. Its a rimless case duplicating .30-30 ballistics. And was available in Remington's semi auto rifles of the era. So, .30-30 ballistic niche in a semi auto rifle, covered...right?
Yes, but so what?? They sold well enough to stay in production, but were never any serious competition for the .30-30 and the Winchester (and other) lever actions. The rifles didn't do anything enough better than the lever guns to interest the majority of the buying public, who were more concerned with the fact that they cost more, were heavier, and didn't carry as well as the lever guns available. I'd venture to say what kept the .30 Remington semi alive was the fact that (eventually) it was available in .300 Savage. When Remington brought out their new line of semis after WWII, they were available in .30 caliber rounds more powerful than the .30-30, so still no buying public interest (let alone demand) for a semi .30-30.
As to the 7.62x39, it almost reaches .30-30 performance, but wasn't a round on the US commercial market until after the fall of the Soviet Union. With everything else available, many more powerful rounds, it was a low demand round for deer hunting.
.300 Blackout? It also comes close to the .30-30's performance, and was developed specifically for AR pattern rifles, and I think it's fair to say that its popularity is tied directly to those rifles.
Its a circular thing, there has never been a semi auto deer rifle that was directly competitive with the .30-30 lever guns, and because of that there was never a significant market demand for one. And, because there was no significant market demand for one, one was never offered.
An overly 'windy' response that actually agrees with what I said.Originally Posted by 44 AMP View Post
I don't think the ballistic properties alone are the reasons. In fact, I'd put its ballistic performance at the bottom of the list. Or you may think of it as the base requirement. It's the factors beyond that which are the primary reason we don't see a semi-auto .30-30.
I think the single biggest factor is simply market demand, with #2 being the semi auto rifles available.
The .30 Remington was developed in 1906. Its a rimless case duplicating .30-30 ballistics. And was available in Remington's semi auto rifles of the era. So, .30-30 ballistic niche in a semi auto rifle, covered...right?
Yes, but so what?? They sold well enough to stay in production, but were never any serious competition for the .30-30 and the Winchester (and other) lever actions. The rifles didn't do anything enough better than the lever guns to interest the majority of the buying public, who were more concerned with the fact that they cost more, were heavier, and didn't carry as well as the lever guns available. I'd venture to say what kept the .30 Remington semi alive was the fact that (eventually) it was available in .300 Savage. When Remington brought out their new line of semis after WWII, they were available in .30 caliber rounds more powerful than the .30-30, so still no buying public interest (let alone demand) for a semi .30-30.
As to the 7.62x39, it almost reaches .30-30 performance, but wasn't a round on the US commercial market until after the fall of the Soviet Union. With everything else available, many more powerful rounds, it was a low demand round for deer hunting.
.300 Blackout? It also comes close to the .30-30's performance, and was developed specifically for AR pattern rifles, and I think it's fair to say that its popularity is tied directly to those rifles.
Its a circular thing, there has never been a semi auto deer rifle that was directly competitive with the .30-30 lever guns, and because of that there was never a significant market demand for one. And, because there was no significant market demand for one, one was never offered.
Ah, not really.Well said!