Why is a .32 good enough for Europeans?

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well from how i understand it it all started with the 1911 pretty much.

we used to issue a .38 revolver to the miliary and at some war (i forgot which 1) around 1900 i think we were up against some guys who wore A LOT of heavy cloths. they were in the mountains or something and had on some heavy animal furs and leather or something like that. well anyways we had about zero penetration on them. the bullets pulged in their cloths. our militay wanted a better stronger bullet.

that was the .45 and the 1911.

the military did so good with the .45 that many people started to really like it. of course bullet size went down a bit but alot of this country still things bigger is better.

i personally like 9mm.
 
Err, sorry to have to rain on this one but as to Cricket vs. Baseball, Baseball derives from the (tamer) game little girls played in lieu of cricket.

And a cricket ball is like a piece of concrete - being hit by one is worse than being hit with a rock.


But that aside, I agree that Euros are namby pamby little socialists with 32s :)


Battler.
 
Tecolote wrote:
"you won't fing super size McDonalds meals anywhere else"..."or 32 oz. softdrinks".

I always supersized my meals when I lived in Kanada and I never drank anything but 32 oz. softdrinks.

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Obviously it's because they're a bunch of wussy mama's boys who go down when shot with a .32. Americans are tough, mean, and often coked up - therefore superior stopping power is required. So I carry 10mm or .45.

Oops I forgot there may be some Euros here. Obviously if you're hanging out at TFL, then you're a stud dog among the wussies there.

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Thats because in certain european countrys guns are banned from civilians so nobodys gonna shoot back at them. Also 6forsure, a a 22lr can barely stop a rat, how is it gonna stop a 6'4 240lbs attacker?
 
Piggy,

Don't you know Canada is the 51st state? ;) I should've specified, in nowhere but the US and Canada, unless things have changed in the past two years since I traveled, can you find Super Sized meals and 32 on drinks at a MacDonald's.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Yes, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend any European members of this forum. And Hell, i even had a guy from england in my own home a few moths ago. This will finish up as a handgun topic, bear with me.

Poor bastard, he was petrified that he was going to be killed in a drive by or a shoot out on main street(rare in my neck of the woods). He nearly jumped out of his skin when I told him he was almost sitting on two loaded handguns and didn't know it. He had a noticable tremble after that. I tried to let him know that because we were armed and in the heart of America that he really couldn't be any safer anywhere in the world.

I offered to let him hold a handgun as he never had before(a crying shame!) and he refused.

I think the reason a .32 may be effective against Euros is cause I think they will die of fright at the presence of a handgun alone.

Euros do have better taste in beer than do most Americans. But I brew better beer than most Euros. -ddt
 
Civilian ownership of handguns is more strictly regulated. In some countries you can't own anything bigger than a .380 - Here in the US much of the "bigger is better" mentality is from the police feeling that they are outgunned by the criminals. Higher capacity and bigger caliber guns are seen as equalizers. They apparently don't feel the need for the larger caliber sidearms in parts of Europe.
 
Russel that was the Phillipines.. and the insurgents in question were hopped up on local loco weed and carried machetes against US trops armed with 38 colt revolvers. LOTS of DA and SA 45 colt revolvers were sent to the phillipines, the 45 ACP cartrige came about based on the effectiveness of the larger 45 colt cartridge in a defensive role. Many "new frontier" models of DA colts are called 'alaskans" or "phillipines" models based on where they were issued.

as for 32's and europeans... well that bunch of wine swilling cheese eating eurotrash were pretty easily felled by Jame's Bond's PPK.. right?

Heck if THAT were true all our troops going "over there" would have been issued single shot 22's and 32 long colt revolvers instead of 30-06's and 45's BAR's Tommy guns, Carbines and 12 ga trench guns.

As I recall, reguardless of the popularity of the 32, the Hun was fond of the 8mm mauser, the 30 cal mauser pistol round (devastating for its time) and the 9mm 'parabellum' (for war)

and cops in france carry FNMAS 223 rifles and 9mm pistols and Beretta machine pistols etc.

I think the 32 was popular in europe for the SAME reason it5 was/is here CONCEALABILITY. Look at all the 25/32/380's made in the US from the turn of the century when MANY americans still carried ALL THE TIME. The Colt 32 went quietly into the night when the 38 special came into favor with police and yet Bond's 32 remains.

Can't say a 32 seecamp holds a candle to Phil Marlowe's New Service Colt 45 Revolver, or the twin 45's of the shadow, or Patton's Ivory handled 357 smith revolver and Colt model P... but those shifty eyed peter lorre types were packing iron in the old country.. and a lot of them carried 32's, because a man might be "discreetly armed" as Q might say.

Dr.Rob
 
mr.blonde,

what do you carry? who have you shot? who have you displayed firearm at?

i've either ate a lot .22lr poached deer or deer and rat taste alot alike.
 
UH, remember that in MOST European countries, the simple possesion of a firearm that will chamber a military round is illegal, be it handgun or rifle. In that light, they're forced to "accept" the lighter calibers.
Ask 'em what they'd prefer, and you'dd have the same thing as here in the states.
Been there, done that, asked the questions in most of Northern Europe. 9mm or larger is their preference, as well, for those in the know.

Tom

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You can never be too rich, too skinny, or too well armed!
 
The .32acp or 7.65mm Browning was popular in Europe from the beginning of the last century up through the 50s. They have since gone to 9mm semiauto pistols. The .32s have been obsolete for many years.

...7th
 
By the way, I don't know if I'd be shouting my great deal of experience as a poacher from the rooftops. Might prove your ballistics point but your credibility in future discussions suffers somewhat. (And if anyone cares what I say on the subject, yes, poachers commonly use 22lr on deer and it works.)

Now, I've been thinking about this and thinking about the Europeans I could remember. I've come up with only a few:

Arnold Schwartzenegger
Jean-Pierre Fux
Jean-Claude Van Damme
Dolph Lundgren

Now, I then spent several hours carefully tabulating what these four men have in common. What I found suggests a trend; Europeans use mousy calibers because they don't need guns; unlike we weak, overweight Americans, they simply beat the crap out of anyone impertinent enough to threaten them.
:D

(That ought to keep the Euro-TFLers from complaining for awhile.)
 
Don't forget v-12 Jaguars. XK220, anyone?

I don't know anything about French cars except that the ones I've seen are brutally ugly (and not that good, functional, Glock-type-fugly, either.)
 
Don Gwinn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Don't forget v-12 Jaguars. XK220, anyone?[/quote]

Don't forget who now owns Jaguar....FoMoCo, with all its good ol' American love of brawn and speed...(seems that Ford also owns Aston Martin!!! and Volvo!!) Notice how the new Jaguars are really cool and retro looking? Where do you think that idea came from? Detroit, baby.
Detroit iron-300 horses coursing through a brawny V-8 with a burbling exhaust assaulting your ears....I feel the NEED-the Need for SPEED!!!! Yeehaaa!

Fast guns, fast cars, fast women-I love 'em all, and America makes the best of all three!!!

In heaven, the police are British, the mechanics are German, the chefs are Italian, the lovers are French, and the organizers are Swiss.
In hell, the police are Germans, the mechanics are French, the chefs are British, the lovers are Swiss, and the organizers are Italian.

I picked up this true story off the internet a couple of years ago.
In London, a pregnant woman boarded a commuter train and had a seat. She noticed a man looking at her and giggling. Uncomfortable with this attention, she changed seats. With each change of seats, his merriment grew larger, and she eventually had him arrested on charges of harrassment. He was finally aquitted, however, when he offered the court the following explantion for his behavior: the 1st seat the preggers girl sat in was under and andvertisement that read: Coming Soon: Gold Dust Twins. The 2nd was under another ad: Sloan's Liniment Removes Swelling. The 3rd seat was under William's Stick Did The Trick, and the 4th seat was under Dunlop Rubber would have prevented this accident.

My comment on this: It's all just a matter of juxtaposition, m'dear.
Her probable reply; I'm a GOOD girl, and not into that kinky sex.

Huh?

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Sorry, but Ford may own Jaguar and Volvo but the styling is done in Italy, usually by Ghia studios. If the design were done in Detriot they'd look like the wonderously horrific Gran Torino. The look of Detroit products has improved thanks to Italian design studios. Of course now that changing thanks to the design studios of the likes Mazda and Honda in California.

Let's get off the nationalist high horse. Everyone has good and bad points to them. I like Europe quite a bit. People are very friendly, the food is good, cheese is great, good table wine sells for $3 a bottle and beer is very fresh and tasty.

Whatever the caliber, lets not forget that some of the most important hangun designs have been European, SIG Sauer P series, Beretta 92, Glock, H&K P7, etc. etc.. And yes I'm well aware of the importance of John M. Browning's foundations.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Well, I'll only insult the French, but you might also ask why bathing once a week (or less) is sufficient for those snail-eaters.
 
Has anyone ever seen a Colt Police Positive in .32 Colt? This used to be a law enforcement gun in America, back when the police could show up, produce their weapons, and "Tag, you're it!", the bad guys surrendered. I asked a LEO friend of mine at the shop how he would of felt carrying one of these little gems (off duty he packs a 629 Mountain Gun or P7M13).
He said "Back then? Fine, LRN bullet and all, because back then the bad guys knew they could be 'shot while resisting arrest'."
In a society with more ingrained respect for law & order, the policeman's gun is a badge as much as a weapon. If they're up against hardcore terrorists or such, they can always drag the Uzi or MP-5 out of the trunk of the BMW squad car.

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