Why I want Kerry to win

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USP45usp

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1. It will put the Republicans back into their place. We gunowners got him in, he and his party should know that we can take him out.

2. The RKBA got a "boost" with the 8 years of clinton. Some woke up and continue to be awoken, other, the majority, went back to sleep.

3. Bush IS NOT the savior of the 2nd. We voted him in, even with his promise to renew the awb, to give him a chance, he is a turncoat, just like his father.

4. Kerry will wake up more RKBA supporters, and if enough wake up, then #5 will come to be.

5. We are at war. We send money after money, after money just to have compromise, or groups that can't do much. It's up to the people, us. The government is supposed to be 1) the People, 2) the State, and last and least, 3) the Feds.

In our Forefathers day, they just kept on being hammered until there came a last straw. They "put up" with the king of England, king george, for many years until they could not take it any longer.

One of the things that really make me laugh, yet saddened, is the fact that most here will "vote for the lesser of evils" because they are afraid to draw a line.

Another is, "the courts will hash it out and we can win that way"... but I don't believe that most here are really keeping up with their circut courts or the supreme court, some really messed up stuff coming out of these courts, in fact, I think they believe they ARE the government now.

And the most heartfelt, yet is a non-excuse, is the family. Unless our ForeFathers were flaming queers with no family, it would seem that they did. They gave up their weath, their families, and even their lives to make this country free. I have no children but I do have a Mother and a Father of whom I will fight to the death over, and I am willing to do the same for my country.

Why do I want Kerry to win, because if he does, and we lose our Rights as we know we will, then I will then know if this is an America worth fighting for any longer.

Also, for all those who have a hope in their hearts that the awb will expire, I feel for ya, for it's nice to believe in something, even though it will never come true.

Wayne
 
:rolleyes: Go ahead and vote for Kerry, nobody is stopping you. Hope you'll be happy with his selection of Supreme Court Justices.

I remember people with similar views who voted for Perot...they ended up with 8 years of Clinton and his court appointees.

Some people learn from their mistakes....others are doomed to repeat them.
 
I agree with you. I compare it to pruning a fruit tree.

Not only have the republicans been weak on guns, they have outspent the Klinton\Gephardt Congress of 1992.

All the republicans have to offer, and you will hear this on this thread, is fear and the less of the evils.

If we continue to support the republicrats, they will take us for granted like the democrats do the black vote. The republicrats are more concerned with getting the black and latino vote than they are with securing their base.

Kerry can do nothing by himself. Let Bush lose, and the republicans will fight him on every issue. The republicans will return to the way they were when Newt was in DC. That is the republican party I identified with. Now, I am a member of the Constitution Party.

AND with Kerry in the White House, the Congress will increase the conservative majority in 2006. Plus, Hillary won't run in 2008, and she will be too old in 2012.

It is like getting a tetanus shot: you might not like it, but it is for your own good in the long run.

As distasteful as a president Kerry would be, the republicans desperately need a wake up call.

Then, in 2008, maybe the republicans will nominate a conservative.

Be sure to contact your Senators and Congressmen and let them know how you feel.

When a republicrat calls me for money, I give them the scoop, and refuse to contribute.

If you get the calls from republicrat candidates wanting money so they can support President Bush's agenda, ask the caller how Bush and Daschle\Pelosi are different, beside the war, and watch them stumble on the answer.

I got news for you on the judicial nominations: EVERY conservative (read anti abortion) judicial nominee that Bush as put forward was held up in committee. There have been less than a dozen held up, which means Bush is not nominating conservatives.

Bush is too inarticulate to nominate any conservatives to the Supreme Court because he always avoids a political fight: campaign finance reform, immigration, school vouchers....

So if Bush gets a chance to nominate a Supreme, he will want to "take the issue away from the democrats" and "change the tone in Washington" so he will do like his daddy, and nominate a flaming liberal. His daddy nominated Souter.
 
Funny, I just received a call from the RNC asking for my opinions. I asked the nice lady just when the Republicans were going to stand up for the ENTIRE BOR, and when they were going to do something about our borders. Got a quick thank you and good bye for my answer.

That told me a whole lot :confused:
 
I'm not a Repuke. I'm an American. I'm a Constitutionalist. I'm a conservative.

Republicans have long since sold their souls (and my values) for a few pieces of silver. Sure, there are a few good ones left, but I'll no longer be a prisoner to the "lesser of two evils" argument. That is a lame excuse to keep putting back in office nothing more than EVIL.

I'll vote my conscience... always.

I'll vote for a Constitution party member or, if the only choice I have is between the "two Evils", I'll just write in Bu.

Bu La'ia for Prez, cuz!
 
Each vote for Kerry will indicate a failure to understand the facts relating to candidate character and policies and a lack of recognition of the enlightened route to American progress. Liberalism empowers the government, promotes socialism, and destroys personal liberties.

Such a vote will promote the elimination of gun rights. Gather the facts and consider the implications carefully.
 
I think the point he is trying to make is...
If Kerry gets into the oval office the shooting can start.
 
I wouldn't vote for Kerry even if I was stumbling drunk, but I'm not so certain that I would vote for Bush. People who subscribe to the "throwing away yer vote" theory just do not impress me much. If I'm gonna give a little, what am I getting in return? So far, just watching the constitution being used for high grade toilet paper.

I raised the issue with some of these compromisers in the last election, and what I got was this fancy political speech about Bush just talking politics. I don't want POLITICS. What I want is someone who will uphold, support and defend the consitiution against all enemies, foreign and domestic!

This year, the same people, who agree with me that what they thought would happen didn't, are now telling me that, "well, it will be his last 4 years, and he won't be so worried about re-election". I take that to be short hand for power grabbing regardless of cost.

I'm not interested in voting for someone who wants to trash the second amendment now (democrats, are you listening?) or holding off the wolves a bit longer so they can bargain our rights away for their pet projects (republicans, are you listening?).

The name of the game is to dilute your beliefs in order to get your party in power, and I have ugly language for that which is not appropriate here. At least we KNOW what the Democrats stand for, which is more than the Republican party can say-other than they want my vote, and seem to get amnesia when I ask why I should vote for them. All I seem to get is a diatribe of what the other guy is going to do to me. THAT is not enough.
 
"Why do I want Kerry to win, because if he does, and we lose our Rights as we know we will, then I will then know if this is an America worth fighting for any longer."

Yeah that makes sense.
You'll be stuck living in a country with less rights, surrounded by a bunch of people who don't care enough to lift a finger to do anything for themselves and believe the governments' job is to do everything for them.

Dont think for a minute that if you lose your rights, as you know you will, and yes, your gun rights will dissapear quickly with Kerry in office, you'll get him along with his buddies in the new majority in the house and senate, that you're going to find a bunch of people who are willing to stand up and fight for the country. Most people are to apathetic in this country to stand up and do anything. Even if they did, they lack the organization necessary to make a difference.

If Kerry wins, you'll see a Democrat controlled House and Senate, they already appear to be moving that way with two seats having switched to D's in the replacement elections. Combine that with him in office, and you just might get Feinsteins dream of complete confiscation.
If you want to be responsible for turning the US into another gunless Australia or Britain, because you're angry Bush and the Republicans haven't took a firm enough stand on guns for your liking, that's no reason to give up the rights you have left by turning your back on the only supporters we seem to have.

A real test is coming, will the Republicans allow the AWB to get as far as the desk of the president?
At least give them that amount of time before you make your decision.

Rights lost are not recovered.
 
All politicians are scum! All they care about is getting re-elected, not about peoples rights or doing the right thing.

I think that one of the biggest problems facing this country as far as the government goes is CAREER POLITICIANS!! There should be term limits for ALL elected government officials. I think if we did that, there would be less Fienstiens, Shumers, Klintons, and the like.

There are a lot of reasons that I will not vote for Kerry, and I won't get into them here. At least with Bush, he tells you what he is going to do. Kerry has not made a decision on anything, and those timeswhen he is less vague than others he says soemthing like, "We need to work with our allies to get the weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of the terrorists". OK, fine, but how are you going to do that? He never says!!

Remember, "John Kerry's Waffle House, serving waffles since 1984!"
 
Mattjoe-waiting for Bush to do anything about AWB scares me half to death. The man has yet to veto ANYTHING. He has signed into law every piece of legislation which has crossed his desk-even things he was supposedly against. Most of the people who are raising cain about Bush are upset that the man will not stand up and make a public fight.

I really hope he has learned his lesson with the campaign reform act. We shall see.....
 
Bush will tell you what he is going to do?

You mean like when he campaigned AGAINST campaign finance reform, and for school vouchers? Bush also said he would pull our troops out of Bosnia because he was against "nation building"; that was the first one he "changed his mind" on. The first of many. Are we building a nation in Iraq?


Loss of rights under Kerry?

Does the phrase "Patriot Act" ring any bells?


Kerry will get a democrat controlled Congress just like Klinton did? No, wait, Klinton got us a REPUBLICAN controlled Congress.

:rolleyes:

All the republicans have to offer is fear. Next they will start saying that we will suffer chemical attacks if Kerry wins. Yeah, Saddam has WMD, well, almost.

Understand, I am not for Kerry. I am voting for my parties candidate: the Constitution Party. The best man for the job.
 
5. We are at war. We send money after money, after money just to have compromise, or groups that can't do much. It's up to the people, us. The government is supposed to be 1) the People, 2) the State, and last and least, 3) the Feds
With Kery in what do you think his list will be? Im guessing a) goverment b) goverment and c) goverment. The people will have nothing to do with it...remember hes a libreal Demorat. They are all for BIG GOVERMENT and higher taxes. So go ahead vote him in....he will make Kinton look conservative.
P.S. Im glad to see TFL is back up and running :) :) :)
 
I never said that I would vote for sKerry, that would be voting for the greater of the two evils.

Yet, I've just been told that democrats only wish bigger government, I don't know what you'd call it, but I think that is happening now, don't you think?

No, I will be voting what I feel, and only one party has that in it's issues.

What I was trying to say to you all, and I do believe that all of us has a higher IQ then most, is what have we gotten in the past 12 years?

The awb by clinton, yet the senate and the house were filled with republican folks to "stop him" and he didn't do as much harm after that. Yet, our house and senate didn't do much to help us either. Now we have bush, and the government has gotten bigger, rights have been slowly infringed upon, and he will sign the awb renewal.

So what really is the difference?

sKerry is a person that will force us, those that believe, to do something. And not only on the RKBA front, but as far as our military and our Right to stay a Replublic called America.

I firmly believe this is the "line in the sand", but like others before me, will be considered nothing but kooks. Yet, we stand in what type of state today?

That/This is why I want sKerry to win. As for the one person picking out the sentence that I meant the way I said it, it just shows that he or she didn't understand what I meant.

"Why do I want Kerry to win, because if he does, and we lose our Rights as we know we will, then I will then know if this is an America worth fighting for any longer"

I will then know where my fellow Americans stand, and therefore, will know, if the country is worth fighting for.

Simple as that. With bush, we will just continue to be boiled.

Wayne
 
You know USP, you will be in the fight all alone, just like Tim McVeigh. You will be disappointed to see just how few people care when it gets to that point. All that garbage about "Molon Labe" is just a bunch of hot air being spewed by a bunch of blow hard windbag wannabee Patriots.

When Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said that the court looks to Europe rulings to determine Constitutionality, there was no outrage, and the House and Senate were silent, the WH was AWOL (absent without leadership). I doubt the White House even realized what she said.

For you Republicans, the Supreme Court is supposed to look to the CONSTITUTION to determine Constitutionality, not to the European courts.

When there was no uprising over that, it was the death knell for our Republic. Now, it is just a matter of time. Even the doofus in the White House calls this a democracy. For you Republicans, the USA is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. In a democracy you are only allowed the rights the majority of the people allow you to have. In our Constitutional Republic, we have the rights endowed by our Creator, and recognized\guaranteed by the Constitution. Just so you Bush republicans will understand the difference.

Time McVeigh recognized the Waco incident for what it was; an out of control central government that is willing to use the military to subdue the people. An act that is totally against the Constitution.. I don't agree with his reprisal, but at least he understood the ramifications of what the government did, and how wrong it was.

When the day comes, those that are willing to stand up, will find themselves alone and castigated by those they called ally. Fellow gun owners will insist that the way to save our rights is not through action, but the ballot box, and they will support the likes of GW Bush.
 
Liberalism empowers the government, promotes socialism, and destroys personal liberties.
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By that definition, Bush 43 is a flaming Liberal. His administration brought us the Patriot Act (destroying personal liberties like right to jury trial and freedom from unresaonable search and seizure), the biggest Socialist Security expansion in a generation (promoting Socialism in exchange for the AARP vote), and the creation of a brand new federal mega-agency (empowering the government). He also signed the Campaign Finance Reform bill (a.k.a. Incumbent Protection Bill) into law despite acknowledging that he though it to be unconstitutional, violating his Oath of Office to protect and uphold that Constitution. Yeah, that's one heck of a stalwart Conservative champion of the Constitution.

The way I see it, both major parties wipe their butts with the Bill of Rights, they just use different ends of the parchment. People try to tell me that I should vote for the Police State candidate in order to avoid getting the Welfare State candidate into the White House. I'll have to choose "none of the above", and vote Libertarian. If the Libertarian candidate does not appear on the ballot, I'll have to write in my dachshund...he could probably do a better job than either of the two bozos put in front of us by the Republicrats. At least he'll spend his term licking himself and hunting for food in the White House trash, not signing anti-constitutional legislation in order to buy votes.

Where's Calvin Coolidge when you need him?

Voting for the candidate that best represents my views is not "cutting off my nose to spite my face", it's the American Way. If you want to bet on a winner on Election Day, go to a horsetrack.

Bush is just about as far away from representing my views as Kerry, and just because he gives some very minor lip service to RKBA does not mean that I'll eat the rest of the dung pie he offers me for lunch just because one edge of the frosting looks like it may taste OK.
 
To paraphrase some previous offerings...I want Kerry to win to put the Republicans back in their place...to send the Republicans a message...we won't be taken for granted like the Dems do the Black vote...yada yada yada, and in the same breath damning Kerry to eternal perdition.

OK boys and girls, let's do the math. With the race being a statistical 'dead heat' right now, a vote for anyone other than Bush (no matter how well intentioned)
is a vote for Kerry.

Should Kerry be elected, are you prepared for the following:

...the complete confiscation of all individual arms and ammo in this country or the imposition of taxes and other restictions that make individual ownership impossible.

...the likes of Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court...for the rest of her effing life.

...the reinstitution of of a massive social welfare system, largely dismantled by the Repub. congress during the Clinton years and its resultant redistribution, under duress, of the money that YOU earned to those who .gov thinks is 'entitled' to it.

...the gutting and emasculation of the American military; our ability to protect our interests and project power worldwide as well as shutting down our intellegence services.

...the use of the Patriot Act to deal with the domestic 'threats' of people who actively advocate freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to be secure in our personal effects,
the right to not be subject to illegal search and seizure or the forfeiture of assests on suspicion of criminal activity. Are you ready to be named an 'enemy combatant'
or a 'person of interest' and be held indefinitely without a trial?

So you want to send the Republicans a message. If Kerry is elected, you're the one who's gonna get a message and I guarentee that you won't like it.

For 'Hard Charger'...

Being new here and slamming older, more established members as 'blow hard, windbag, wannabe patriots' is considered by most to be bad form and could be viewed as a personal attack. I believe that an apology is in order.
 
For you Republicans, the Supreme Court is supposed to look to the CONSTITUTION to determine Constitutionality, not to the European courts.
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And for you Mr. Hard Charger - who can't seem to follow along - Ruth Bader Ginsberg was appointed by a Demorat Prez. A Demorat Prez something that you and USP45usp seem to want to elect.

I know that subtle things like which party appoints the SCOTUS Justice that is the object of your rant are sometimes hard to grasp, but at least try to pay attention. :rolleyes: FWIW anyway. :barf:
 
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