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Like Microsoft with computers: they weren't the first to do it, but they did it in just the right way to bring a new type of product to the market.
Glock and its marketing made people trust poly pistols.
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Like Microsoft with computers: they weren't the first to do it, but they did it in just the right way to bring a new type of product to the market.
Glock and its marketing made people trust poly pistols.
My first pistol was a Glock 17. I bought 2 of them around 5 years ago after seeing Nutnfancy's review on YouTube. At the time, I wanted to get a Sig p226 - but I needed 2 guns and the price of a p226 was around 1.6 times the price of a G17. I'm glad I started with the Glock. The simple manual of arms, simplicity of maintenence, high reliability, and good value for the money made Glocks an excellent choice for my first gun.
I'm not very mechanically inclined. I've found that I don't really need to be to work on a Glock pistol. I took the Glock armorer's course and am comfortable completely disassembling and reassembling a Glock pistol. The simplicity of the Glock design facilitates this. I also think simplicity of design helps contribute to the gun's reliability.
I like the fact that anyone can take a Glock armorer's course. You don't have to be in law enforcement or in the military.
I'm not monogomous when it comes to guns. I like guns in general and now own and enjoy shooting models from a variety of manufacturers - including Glock. I also have some Sigs, a CZ, an HK, and a Kahr. I'll always have a special appreciation for Glock pistols though.
I'm not very mechanically inclined. I've found that I don't really need to be to work on a Glock pistol. I took the Glock armorer's course and am comfortable completely disassembling and reassembling a Glock pistol. The simplicity of the Glock design facilitates this. I also think simplicity of design helps contribute to the gun's reliability.
I like the fact that anyone can take a Glock armorer's course. You don't have to be in law enforcement or in the military.
I'm not monogomous when it comes to guns. I like guns in general and now own and enjoy shooting models from a variety of manufacturers - including Glock. I also have some Sigs, a CZ, an HK, and a Kahr. I'll always have a special appreciation for Glock pistols though.
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Well, I said I would probably buy a Glock in the future. I bought a Glock 21 Gen 4 yesterday, and shot 200 rounds today.
I like it, and plan to carry it. But first, I'll get a good holster, and practice...wait for it...reholstering. That's when most "accidents" happen.
It's safe when in a good holster. It's safe when I hold it in my hand.
I plan to practice reholstering until that's safe too.
When I holster the SR40, my finger is off the trigger and the external thumb safety is set to on.
When I holster the 1911, my finger is off the trigger, the safety is on, my hand is off the grip safety, and my thumb is between the hammer and the firing pin.
When you holster a Glock, your finger off the trigger is your only safety layer.
Evil Monkey
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Gaston Glock and his wife.
thedudeabides
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I had a couple of Glocks.
I had a G30 that was pretty much the most reliable gun you could have. It was also kind of sort of accurate at 10 yards and you'd have to beat the magazines into it to seat them if they were fully loaded--sometimes they wouldn't lock and it'd barf out the mag when you'd shoot the chambered round. But as long as you weren't too concerned with accuracy and didn't mind loading the mag with one less, then yes, it was reliable. Perfection.
I still have a G19 that shoots great and has no problems. It's an early G3, before Glock ruined the gun with their G4 nonsense. The factory (or at least whatever the hell it was sold with) night sights are a joke, tho. Perfection?
I had a G29 that had countless failures to feed and sometimes the warped recoil spring back plate would somehow manage to bite into the plastic frame and jam the hell out of the gun. Perfection. It's big brother the G3 G20 had no problems, but until I actually started shooting 10mm 1911s I thought that your wrists were supposed to feel like you fell down a flight of concrete stairs if you shot more than 50 rounds at one time. If you shoot a G20 and a heavy carbon steel 1911 back to back with the same ammo, you'll wonder why the hell they even make the G20.
Glocks are like any gun built to a price point, a compromise. Most will work just fine if you don't expect too much out of them.
I had a G30 that was pretty much the most reliable gun you could have. It was also kind of sort of accurate at 10 yards and you'd have to beat the magazines into it to seat them if they were fully loaded--sometimes they wouldn't lock and it'd barf out the mag when you'd shoot the chambered round. But as long as you weren't too concerned with accuracy and didn't mind loading the mag with one less, then yes, it was reliable. Perfection.
I still have a G19 that shoots great and has no problems. It's an early G3, before Glock ruined the gun with their G4 nonsense. The factory (or at least whatever the hell it was sold with) night sights are a joke, tho. Perfection?
I had a G29 that had countless failures to feed and sometimes the warped recoil spring back plate would somehow manage to bite into the plastic frame and jam the hell out of the gun. Perfection. It's big brother the G3 G20 had no problems, but until I actually started shooting 10mm 1911s I thought that your wrists were supposed to feel like you fell down a flight of concrete stairs if you shot more than 50 rounds at one time. If you shoot a G20 and a heavy carbon steel 1911 back to back with the same ammo, you'll wonder why the hell they even make the G20.
Glocks are like any gun built to a price point, a compromise. Most will work just fine if you don't expect too much out of them.
Thedudeabides,
Often a full magazine, especially a high cap one, will not seat in a gun with the slide closed. Just no room in the magazine to "give" for a seating. It's the same with a lot of guns.
People are always trying to put one in the chamber and then load yet another into the magazine to get that one extra.
Many, many cases, doing so is just setting up circumstances for a jam.
Sometimes a person may not want one in the chamber but have a seated magazine. Then it's a good idea to load the magazine one short, first so
it is not forced to lock and also so that the tension of the bullet/mag against the bottom of the slide doesn't make it even harder to rack the slide.
In the 1911 mags, it's usually easy to seat a 7-shot mag with the slide closed but darn near impossible with an 8-shot mag that has the same dimensions as the 7 shot.
Often a full magazine, especially a high cap one, will not seat in a gun with the slide closed. Just no room in the magazine to "give" for a seating. It's the same with a lot of guns.
People are always trying to put one in the chamber and then load yet another into the magazine to get that one extra.
Many, many cases, doing so is just setting up circumstances for a jam.
Sometimes a person may not want one in the chamber but have a seated magazine. Then it's a good idea to load the magazine one short, first so
it is not forced to lock and also so that the tension of the bullet/mag against the bottom of the slide doesn't make it even harder to rack the slide.
In the 1911 mags, it's usually easy to seat a 7-shot mag with the slide closed but darn near impossible with an 8-shot mag that has the same dimensions as the 7 shot.
I don't understand the gripe about the grip angle. I've never noticed it as a problem. I can go to the range, and shoot all sorts of different guns. Different styles, triggers, sights, etc. I adapt. I own a Honda and a Lincoln. I drive 4-5 different trucks at work. I adapt. Why are some shooters so unwilling to adapt to something as simple as a grip angle?
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Because haters gonna hate.
Dragline45
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whip1 said:
Why should I force myself to adapt to something that is not natural to me, or put in the unnecessary time to do so, when there is a plethora of pistols out there that do fit me right. You are basically recommending people buy pistols that don't fit their hand right or point right for them.
I love my Glocks! I have stated it many times and explained why as well.
While this is the case for me, it may not be true for all! I think we become as closed minded and controlling as our progressive friends if we try to force a one size fits all attitude.
The Glock is awesome, but if it is not a comfortable fit for you or it is ugly to you, then buy what you like.
The only request I ever have of either side is try it with an open mind and if it truly is not for you, don't buy it. Just don't trash it. It does have it's good points.
For me it fits better than my 1911. That's just me!
Mel
While this is the case for me, it may not be true for all! I think we become as closed minded and controlling as our progressive friends if we try to force a one size fits all attitude.
The Glock is awesome, but if it is not a comfortable fit for you or it is ugly to you, then buy what you like.
The only request I ever have of either side is try it with an open mind and if it truly is not for you, don't buy it. Just don't trash it. It does have it's good points.
For me it fits better than my 1911. That's just me!
Mel
I think this is something thats way overblown, and usually by those who just lack experience with things they dont know, and/or dont like one thing or another, for whatever reason. If they did bother to put a little of that "unnecessary" time in, they'd understand that is really a non issue.
But, such is life I guess. We all have our favorites, and of course, swear they are the bestest.
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AK103K said:
Uhh, not even close. I have enough experience with all types and brands of handguns across the board to know what I like and I don't like. If a pistol doesn't feel good in my hand, and doesn't point right for me, I hands down don't want it. When there are so many quality guns out there that do feel good in MY hand, and point right for ME, then why should I settle for something that doesn't meet both of those criteria only to try to force them to. I am not going to put in the time to try to force a pistol on myself when it doesn't feel natural or point right for me, when that same time can be put to quality practice and training with one that does. It's no surprise that the number one suggestion for new handgun owners who come on here is to go to the shop or rent one and see how it feels in your hand and how well you shoot it. What you consider a non issue, is actually a pretty big issue.
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Its only a big issue, or any issue at all, only if you insist on making it one.
Ive owned, shot, and at some point, carried, most of the big name makers, including Colt's, Beretta's, HK's, SIG's, Walther's, Glock's, just to name a few. I still shoot a number of them on a regular basis too, and switch back and forth at will, with no trouble at all.
I believe the grip angle issue is grossly overblown, and simply used as an excuse or a reason as to why something is bad.
Im not saying we all dont have our favorites, thats a fact, and thats obvious by the bickering that goes on as to whats the best or worst. All Im saying is, if you spend a little quality time with any of them, the so called problems normally go away, as you gain experience with them.
Dragline45 said:
As Ak103K said, it's only a big issue if you make it one.
Same degree of relevance as to the color or brand of your tennis shoes, or whether you drive a Ford, Chevy, or whatever. If you choose to make one of those examples into a big issue, it probably seems important to you, although in reality it will most likely have ZERO effect on your performance.
I run some informal IDPA-type events with a couple of dozen friends. A couple of times a year I'll run a stage where you have to shoot it using the gun of the person below you on the score sheet, then shoot it using your gun. It's always funny watching the "haters" shoot their best scores shooting guns that they swear don't work for them.
I used to let everyone shoot their guns first then re-run it with the borrowed gun, but the whiners claimed that the reason they shot better with the borrowed gun was because they "learned" the stage with their gun first. Once they had to shoot the borrowed gun first, they couldn't use that excuse any more to justify their lower scores with their own gun.
AK103k said:
Ak103k has the best analysis of the grip angle "problem" on the internet.
If it was a real problem, Ruger would have gone out of business trying to sell the MKI .22 semi-auto 65 years ago.
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