Before you shoot someone that is breaking into your car you may want to save up some money for a good lawyer because you are going to need it. Also make a plan on how your family is going to make it without your income for the 16 to 20 months your going to spend in a county jail waiting to go to trial.
Why every law abiding citizen should be armed?
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wildalaskaphilosopherking:
He wasn't raised in NY!
I think I'd have investigated, had I heard somebody breaking into my car, but I wouldn't shoot unless I knew for sure that he was taking my Ipod! 
On a more serious note, Sam's Club carries a nice motion-detector light for around $70 that issues a verbal warning and takes a video (stored on SD card) of whoever/whatever sets off the motion detector.
My personal opinion is that the lives of society's parasites and predators are less-than-worthless. Think "phlogiston"! Who Raw for Texas's shoot-the-sorry-s.o.b.-at-night-laws!!
He wasn't raised in NY!
I think I'd have investigated, had I heard somebody breaking into my car, but I wouldn't shoot unless I knew for sure that he was taking my Ipod! On a more serious note, Sam's Club carries a nice motion-detector light for around $70 that issues a verbal warning and takes a video (stored on SD card) of whoever/whatever sets off the motion detector.
My personal opinion is that the lives of society's parasites and predators are less-than-worthless. Think "phlogiston"! Who Raw for Texas's shoot-the-sorry-s.o.b.-at-night-laws!!
We had notified the police of the harrasment and nothing can be done unless they physically threaten my mother. Also we installed a several thousand dollar security system this afternoon. These guys have been waiting until my mom was all alone and that is what upsets me. My mom has been up all night the past week with her gun. They turn the lights on and off outside when and our motion sensors go off when she is the only one there. She is my concern not my stupid ipod.
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Young thugs singling out an older woman
Based on articles read in various newspapers, I have to wonder if these guys might think your mother has reported them to the cops over previous incidents. Not faulting her if she did - more citizens should stand up for their neighborhoods - but it seems that when young thugs harass older people, it's either in retaliation for "snitching," or because they have a beef with the older people's kids.
Your family has no idea why these guys have targeted your mother?
Based on articles read in various newspapers, I have to wonder if these guys might think your mother has reported them to the cops over previous incidents. Not faulting her if she did - more citizens should stand up for their neighborhoods - but it seems that when young thugs harass older people, it's either in retaliation for "snitching," or because they have a beef with the older people's kids.
Your family has no idea why these guys have targeted your mother?
samurai30047
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Armed is better than unarmed.
Once again I have to take up for the good guy in this scenario.
We have a guy with his sister and mom at home. Bad guy(s) have been harassing said mom for a while.
Something goes smash in the night like a car window.
Good guy confronts bad guys from inside house and maybe hits the porch light. Bad guys run away because they're just kids.
I'm still mad about the window but I'm probably not running down the street with a gun after the bad guy. Cops see you and they kill the good guy.
However, the bad guys turn around and attack with whatever burglar tools(hammers, crow bars, bats) they have. I believe my home defense firearm will come in handy as they approach the good guy inside his house as they begin a nasty home invasion. With no firearm the bad guys go from petty thievery to who knows what. So, yes, having a gun when dealing with scumbags is a must.
My ex was just leaving her car at night walking to her house, when two big teenagers came up the sidewalk toward her. She readied herself by acting like she was searching her purse for her keys. They then followed her up the front lawn toward the house door. About 15 ft away from her and closing, she drew her 9mm. Apologies flew like birds all over the place as they ran off. Get the training and get more training. Know the law and get the paper work straight. Carrying is getting to be more and more of a need than a desire.
Once again I have to take up for the good guy in this scenario.
We have a guy with his sister and mom at home. Bad guy(s) have been harassing said mom for a while.
Something goes smash in the night like a car window.
Good guy confronts bad guys from inside house and maybe hits the porch light. Bad guys run away because they're just kids.
I'm still mad about the window but I'm probably not running down the street with a gun after the bad guy. Cops see you and they kill the good guy.
However, the bad guys turn around and attack with whatever burglar tools(hammers, crow bars, bats) they have. I believe my home defense firearm will come in handy as they approach the good guy inside his house as they begin a nasty home invasion. With no firearm the bad guys go from petty thievery to who knows what. So, yes, having a gun when dealing with scumbags is a must.
My ex was just leaving her car at night walking to her house, when two big teenagers came up the sidewalk toward her. She readied herself by acting like she was searching her purse for her keys. They then followed her up the front lawn toward the house door. About 15 ft away from her and closing, she drew her 9mm. Apologies flew like birds all over the place as they ran off. Get the training and get more training. Know the law and get the paper work straight. Carrying is getting to be more and more of a need than a desire.
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At first I agreed with the "dont shoot for property" line of thinking but the more I read the more I DO NOT agree.
I'm personally tired of hearing about what I as the victim am NOT allowed to do to defend myself or property. Your house gets robbed (this actually happened to my parents) the cops show up and tell you how and why it is your fault and that they cannot be bothered to do anything about it. One big reason why crime is as bad as it is would be the fact criminals know the law is on their side. They can steal from you all the while knowing the odds of anyone trying to stop them, the cops showing up anywhere close to in time, cops actually doing anything about it if they do get there, the owner stopping them or if they do doing it in a way that (and I don't know HOW this works) dosen't infring their rights is slim to none. You get robbed and not only do you have to worry about your safty and property but trying to not step on the criminals rights!? Someone breaks into your house and steals your gear. You are not allowed to stop them yet we know the cops are not going to get there in time to do so then they refuse to catch the criminals because YOU didn't make your house burgler proof enough.
At first I agreed with the "dont shoot for property" line of thinking but the more I read the more I DO NOT agree.
I'm personally tired of hearing about what I as the victim am NOT allowed to do to defend myself or property. Your house gets robbed (this actually happened to my parents) the cops show up and tell you how and why it is your fault and that they cannot be bothered to do anything about it. One big reason why crime is as bad as it is would be the fact criminals know the law is on their side. They can steal from you all the while knowing the odds of anyone trying to stop them, the cops showing up anywhere close to in time, cops actually doing anything about it if they do get there, the owner stopping them or if they do doing it in a way that (and I don't know HOW this works) dosen't infring their rights is slim to none. You get robbed and not only do you have to worry about your safty and property but trying to not step on the criminals rights!? Someone breaks into your house and steals your gear. You are not allowed to stop them yet we know the cops are not going to get there in time to do so then they refuse to catch the criminals because YOU didn't make your house burgler proof enough.
Double Naught Spy
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Wow, your car was burgled and you lost the security and sanctity of your home? Your car was parked in the driveway, not inside your home. Maybe you lost the security and sanctity of your car, but not your home.
As far as being armed, you see what good it did you in this case, zilcho.
Being armed isn't the be all to end all of self defense. Self defense goes way beyond having a gun.
Double Naught Spy, I guess your right, I'm on my way out the door to get rid of all my guns, seeing as they are totally useless. Gee, I guess I will make sure none of my friends and family ever waste their money on such a useless tool again. As far as the sanctity of my home, these people have been messing with my mom for a few weeks now, and I'm sick of it.
Shane Tuttle
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teifmen1948 said:
You make this assessment by location alone? Don't think this is wise....
Doodlebugger45 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Isn't it typical people are asleep at night? If so, are you saying it doesn't matter if we have a firearm handy or not?
Shane Tuttle
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Double Naught Spy said:
Not sure in Georgia, but like chris in va stated, Texas includes your "home" as everthing you own all the way out to the end of your property line. As the Castle Doctrine is starting to take effect in more and more states, I think the hard line isn't going to be defined by the walls of a building. And that's the way it should be...
riggins_83
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+1 for that. Some people aren't mentally stable enough or lack the thought process!!!!
I don't leave anything in my car.. at all. Leave it empty at all times so the thieves have nothing to break in for!
mikejonestkd
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Usually your " castle " ends at your front door, not in your driveway. Texas is an exception.
Southern Rebel
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So, at what point in your life will you draw the line in the sand and say, "no more"? I hear all of the "wuss" pleas about not taking a life over the loss of just stuff. It sounds good and I have to admit a little of that thought pattern resides in me. But there has to come a time when our way of life is so threatened that the thieves have stolen more than just "stuff".
Why do you think that the proliferation of states allowing handgun carry has occurred? I am an old man by age and I remember the times when robberies were rare and very seldom life-threatening. Those were the times that non-resistance and cooperation seemed to make sense. After all, it was only "stuff".
Unfortunately, that approach served to embolden the bad guys and encouraged them to develop an attitude of total disdain and repulsion toward a society of cowardly citizens. The bad guys became more violent and less predictable - showing no more value for their victims' lives than the lion shows for its natural prey. That is when most states heard the voice of the citizens who were not content to "beg" that their life be spared by the bad guy.
I predict that we will see the same attitude of total disdain from the thieves. Why should they go to the trouble of having to haul off your property and then have the hassle of selling it? Wouldn't it be much easier for them to demand that you pay them each week NOT to steal your stuff? After all, your "stuff" is not worth taking a life - especially if that life is yours!
I remember back when a bad guy was caught redhanded committing a crime, the idea of a foot chase to apprehend him was only one of the options available to the police. Then someone decided that it has not legal to inflict a greater penalty in apprehending the bad guy than would be allowed when he was tried. I see that has changed the whole concept of attempting an arrest. If it were not my country, I could see the humor in chubby cops chasing after athletic young bad guys, with all of the yelling, "get on the ground - get on the ground NOW!". Obviously the young athletic guy is saying to himself, "Yeah, right fat guy - whatcha gonna do, shoot me?"
I suspect the cop programs we see don't show the numerous times that the race goes to the swift of foot and the arrest does not get made.
I don't know where and when that line will be drawn - I will probably not live to see it, but I will say this. Each of us have a breaking point to where we would say, "If I have to live like this, I would be better off in jail." To be able to live with dignity and without fear is what allows mankind to live in social structures that benefit all - and those two things are not just "stuff".
Why do you think that the proliferation of states allowing handgun carry has occurred? I am an old man by age and I remember the times when robberies were rare and very seldom life-threatening. Those were the times that non-resistance and cooperation seemed to make sense. After all, it was only "stuff".
Unfortunately, that approach served to embolden the bad guys and encouraged them to develop an attitude of total disdain and repulsion toward a society of cowardly citizens. The bad guys became more violent and less predictable - showing no more value for their victims' lives than the lion shows for its natural prey. That is when most states heard the voice of the citizens who were not content to "beg" that their life be spared by the bad guy.
I predict that we will see the same attitude of total disdain from the thieves. Why should they go to the trouble of having to haul off your property and then have the hassle of selling it? Wouldn't it be much easier for them to demand that you pay them each week NOT to steal your stuff? After all, your "stuff" is not worth taking a life - especially if that life is yours!
I remember back when a bad guy was caught redhanded committing a crime, the idea of a foot chase to apprehend him was only one of the options available to the police. Then someone decided that it has not legal to inflict a greater penalty in apprehending the bad guy than would be allowed when he was tried. I see that has changed the whole concept of attempting an arrest. If it were not my country, I could see the humor in chubby cops chasing after athletic young bad guys, with all of the yelling, "get on the ground - get on the ground NOW!". Obviously the young athletic guy is saying to himself, "Yeah, right fat guy - whatcha gonna do, shoot me?"
I suspect the cop programs we see don't show the numerous times that the race goes to the swift of foot and the arrest does not get made.
I don't know where and when that line will be drawn - I will probably not live to see it, but I will say this. Each of us have a breaking point to where we would say, "If I have to live like this, I would be better off in jail." To be able to live with dignity and without fear is what allows mankind to live in social structures that benefit all - and those two things are not just "stuff".
Southern Reble
Amen! I also am tired of a thug having more rights than me? My driveway is 670 feet long back through the woods and if a thug comes back here and breaks in to my truck and steals my stuff I will give him a butt full of buckshot and let a jury of my preers work it out?
Amen! I also am tired of a thug having more rights than me? My driveway is 670 feet long back through the woods and if a thug comes back here and breaks in to my truck and steals my stuff I will give him a butt full of buckshot and let a jury of my preers work it out?
Shane Tuttle
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