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Why do all the guides carry bolt action rifles?
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WildBill45
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shurshot
Check the facts, there aren't as many people attacked by bears as most folks think. More people are killed in the lower 48 by domestic dogs than folks killed by bears in Alaska by a wide margin. Save your money and buy dog spray!
Check the facts, there aren't as many people attacked by bears as most folks think. More people are killed in the lower 48 by domestic dogs than folks killed by bears in Alaska by a wide margin. Save your money and buy dog spray!
Great White Hunter syndrome. People paying for guides expect them to carry a bolt action, and do themselves. It's really all about acting out the great old days in Africa where you couldn't swing a stick without hitting dangerous game. Bolt actions were the traditional favorite of the moneyed class, and the existing rifle issued in quantity by the Home Defense, you saw mostly bolt actions.
Fast forward to today, the biggest danger to African game are poachers equipped with full auto HK G3's in .308. Having owned one, I understand it. Dead nuts reliable, and since the Portuguese issued them, commonly available incountry from mercenary use. FN FAL's and a few Sudanese AR10's can be had, too.
No paying GWH would even begin to consider using the gun of a poacher, and so all sorts of justifications pop up to legitimatize bolt gun use. It's made even worse when somebody wants to film hunting as entertainment, they concentrate on the core market, which is 25-55 year old American White Males with no military experience living a life of disposable income and fantasy reenactment.
Given the reality of species endangerment in Africa, and the cause being self loading military action main battle rifles, the knee jerk denial they can't be trusted is ludicrous.
Fast forward to today, the biggest danger to African game are poachers equipped with full auto HK G3's in .308. Having owned one, I understand it. Dead nuts reliable, and since the Portuguese issued them, commonly available incountry from mercenary use. FN FAL's and a few Sudanese AR10's can be had, too.
No paying GWH would even begin to consider using the gun of a poacher, and so all sorts of justifications pop up to legitimatize bolt gun use. It's made even worse when somebody wants to film hunting as entertainment, they concentrate on the core market, which is 25-55 year old American White Males with no military experience living a life of disposable income and fantasy reenactment.
Given the reality of species endangerment in Africa, and the cause being self loading military action main battle rifles, the knee jerk denial they can't be trusted is ludicrous.
TIROD
Well if a guy wanted a techno mall cop gun on his Safari i guess the Barret .50 would be the only one that fires a round big eneough to Be Legal for Dangerous Game. However Your railed, red dotted. M4 carbine . with tactical flashlight, and extra batteries may be legal for plains game though. LOL
Well if a guy wanted a techno mall cop gun on his Safari i guess the Barret .50 would be the only one that fires a round big eneough to Be Legal for Dangerous Game. However Your railed, red dotted. M4 carbine . with tactical flashlight, and extra batteries may be legal for plains game though. LOL
precision_shooter
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Kraig posted this on the hide, its with a leopard none the less still dangerous.
Leopards are actually more dangerous than bears or lions for that matter. Size does not always = dangerous. Smaller, faster and with greater bite strength than a lion, the leopard is one of, if not the most, dangerous animals on the planet to hunt.
Shot placement is key, but the guide is there to make sure you don't get killed when your shot doesn't hit it's mark. I would want them to carry the most reliable gun they can get...
I'm with you Precision shooter. I'd tango with a Lion over a Leopard any day. At least with a Lion a good bite and you're done. A Leopard might nibble your face off before he finishes you. Did you know that the Leopard is the only one of the big cats to use it's hind claws as weapons? So while he's got his claws dug in to your shoulder blades trying to bite your face off he is also disembowelling you. No thanks.
As far as bolt vs double. I'd take a double. When hunting dangerous game it can get very close. All the shots in you bolt gun are useless if the animal is too close for you to use them. A bolt gun also means you lose the sight picture while stoking another round. With a double all you have to do is put the muzzle back on target and slide your finger to the 2nd trigger. I watched a guy on Dangerous Game get surprised by a Hippo on land that was MAYBE 20 feet away. He cracked that double (.500 NE) off twice so fast it sounded like one shot. Not possible with a bolt gun.
And all this talk about cost. If you can afford $10k plus for a Cape Buffalo or $50k plus for Elephant I don't think a double rifle will break you. This is speaking from a hunter's standpoint.
As far as bolt vs double. I'd take a double. When hunting dangerous game it can get very close. All the shots in you bolt gun are useless if the animal is too close for you to use them. A bolt gun also means you lose the sight picture while stoking another round. With a double all you have to do is put the muzzle back on target and slide your finger to the 2nd trigger. I watched a guy on Dangerous Game get surprised by a Hippo on land that was MAYBE 20 feet away. He cracked that double (.500 NE) off twice so fast it sounded like one shot. Not possible with a bolt gun.
And all this talk about cost. If you can afford $10k plus for a Cape Buffalo or $50k plus for Elephant I don't think a double rifle will break you. This is speaking from a hunter's standpoint.
WildBill45
As long as we are talking about "facts":
The entire state of Alaska has less than 3/4 of a million people
Alaska would be the 1st and 2nd largest states if cut in half, making Texsas #3
While one is far more likely to be injured or killed in a car in Alaska, people are injured and/or are killed every year due to bear attacks in Alaska
So, up here we have (per state) fewer people, more land, more bears than down in the lower 49. Prepare as you see fit. Myself, as a hunter, always have a hunting rifle (bolt) and/or 12 gauge pump (slugs) with a handgun as last last resort (generally 10mm I like the round). I rely on bear spray as first line of defense, since we are talking about "facts":
http://www.adn.com/2008/04/20/381252/spray-proves-its-worth-in-bear.html
I have lived in the bush, and rural, and even worked in Anchorage for a time, seen much of the state. At one point up here we were seeing around 15 bear attacks/year. But, it only matters if you are one of the 15, right? Because we all know that we have till age 75.6 (males) when our bodies will perish from cardiovascular disease.
And it really does depend on what type of person you are as to whether or not you will see bears (outside of the airport) in Alaska. I personally get out typically hiking daily. Closest that I have been to a bear in a non-hunting encounter was about four feet. And I see bears every year. YMMV
Check the facts, there aren't as many people attacked by bears as most folks think. More people are killed in the lower 48 by domestic dogs than folks killed by bears in Alaska by a wide margin. Save your money and buy dog spray!
As long as we are talking about "facts":
The entire state of Alaska has less than 3/4 of a million people
Alaska would be the 1st and 2nd largest states if cut in half, making Texsas #3
While one is far more likely to be injured or killed in a car in Alaska, people are injured and/or are killed every year due to bear attacks in Alaska
So, up here we have (per state) fewer people, more land, more bears than down in the lower 49. Prepare as you see fit. Myself, as a hunter, always have a hunting rifle (bolt) and/or 12 gauge pump (slugs) with a handgun as last last resort (generally 10mm I like the round). I rely on bear spray as first line of defense, since we are talking about "facts":
http://www.adn.com/2008/04/20/381252/spray-proves-its-worth-in-bear.html
I have lived in the bush, and rural, and even worked in Anchorage for a time, seen much of the state. At one point up here we were seeing around 15 bear attacks/year. But, it only matters if you are one of the 15, right? Because we all know that we have till age 75.6 (males) when our bodies will perish from cardiovascular disease.
And it really does depend on what type of person you are as to whether or not you will see bears (outside of the airport) in Alaska. I personally get out typically hiking daily. Closest that I have been to a bear in a non-hunting encounter was about four feet. And I see bears every year. YMMV
WildBill45
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If you notice the photo in my post, #1 son is shooting my .458 Lott at the public gun range on the southern end of Anchorage, along with a Browning BLR 450 Marlin and a 12 Ga. in the photo. All for bear protection ... a Just in Case ... tool! I do not take bears lightly, but there is not one behind every tree as most lower 48 envision. I did not intend to show disrespect to the bears of Alaska, trust me, I have full respect for these wild animals of Alaska.