Setters4life
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Bolt actions were most likely Mauser actions, with controlled-round feeding, and a long firing pin fall to ensure reliable ignition.
Why do all the guides carry bolt action rifles?
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arizona98tj
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As it should be.....those giant lake trout are not to be taken lightly!
I think i would want a side by side. There are downsides to both, i guess i'm thinking in particular hunting a lion. They can cover 75yds in 4 seconds, i can just see myself fumbling to chamber another round with a bolt rifle in a situation like that. Then agian you only get two shots with the side by side. Doubled edged sword i guess. Then again slugs work too.
Kraig posted this on the hide, its with a leopard none the less still dangerous.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/buffalo/leopard.wmv
Kraig posted this on the hide, its with a leopard none the less still dangerous.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/buffalo/leopard.wmv
phil mcwilliam
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My guide in Zimbabwe carried a CZ bolt action in .416 Rigby, with the exception of if he was going into the thick thorns after a Leopard that a client had wounded. He then swapped his .416 Rigby for a 12g semi auto shotgun loaded with SSG's.
DanThaMan1776
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I'm not sure I agree with the general consensus here...
Sure, having an action as simple and reliable as a bolt gun makes it less prone to jams... which could "be disastrous in a emergency situation."
HOWEVER... having an action which is as slow as a bolt could be even more disastrous in an emergency situation. If my concern was giant fuzzy beasts with claws and teeth, I would arm myself with a big-bore semi-auto... likely a .450 AR-15. Bears and moose have adrenaline just like us. For that reason I'd like to be able to shoot as fast as my finger can twitch instead of being limited to the speed I can work a bolt.
Sure, having an action as simple and reliable as a bolt gun makes it less prone to jams... which could "be disastrous in a emergency situation."
HOWEVER... having an action which is as slow as a bolt could be even more disastrous in an emergency situation. If my concern was giant fuzzy beasts with claws and teeth, I would arm myself with a big-bore semi-auto... likely a .450 AR-15. Bears and moose have adrenaline just like us. For that reason I'd like to be able to shoot as fast as my finger can twitch instead of being limited to the speed I can work a bolt.
handlerer2
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Dan, I try to curteous to every thread I respond to, this has to be the most preposterous, post I may have ever seen.
I own reload and hunt with 300WBY, 340WBY, 223, 44mag, 6.5x55.
I was inflicted with the M-16, in 1970 and was grossly dissappointed with it as a combat implement. It was a hoot to shoot from the firing line, but never cycled twice in simulated combat.
A guides gun has to be absolutely reliable, his life and the life of his clients in his hands. I would either die laughing or run for hills if I saw my guide armed with an AR.
As for the 458 Socom, in my evualation, it would be more suitable as a handgun catridge. It is limited by the length of the AR magazine, so the same hunting bullets available for 450 Marlin, 45-70 would due to it's seating requirement, be made even more anemic.
By all means have your ar pn what ever chambering pleases you, but don't be suprised if not asked to guide many experienced hunters.
I own reload and hunt with 300WBY, 340WBY, 223, 44mag, 6.5x55.
I was inflicted with the M-16, in 1970 and was grossly dissappointed with it as a combat implement. It was a hoot to shoot from the firing line, but never cycled twice in simulated combat.
A guides gun has to be absolutely reliable, his life and the life of his clients in his hands. I would either die laughing or run for hills if I saw my guide armed with an AR.
As for the 458 Socom, in my evualation, it would be more suitable as a handgun catridge. It is limited by the length of the AR magazine, so the same hunting bullets available for 450 Marlin, 45-70 would due to it's seating requirement, be made even more anemic.
By all means have your ar pn what ever chambering pleases you, but don't be suprised if not asked to guide many experienced hunters.
I would feel as comfortable with a guide with a bolt rifle as I would with one with a double rifle were I on a dangerous game hunt. Remember that with a double rifle, the guide is limited to ONE follow up shot. That lightning-fast second shot becomes an impossibly delayed third/fourth shot. There are plenty of videos available of hunts gone wrong where the guide's second shot didn't get the job done. In close quarters brush hunting, well...things seem to get very intense very quickly.
Based on what friends have done, it depends where you go and what you're after. For fishing in Alaska, a 12-guage seems to be recommended in the event something else wants your fish. I've also read recommendations from those who know that a .44-magnum lever action is nice to have along on a hike. But in the far north, apparently it is expected that you'd always have along a rifle because, basically, you're always hunting.
At one time big game hunting in Africa was a gentleman's sport. It still is, I guess, but they're called sportsmen these days. If you go deer hunting in Virginia, you're just called a hunter. By no means were expensive English made double rifles the standard, though they were common for those hunting dangerous game. However, they started to be come less common when the ammunition became scarce after the war and even more so when good big-bore American cartridges became available with relatively less expensive bolt action rifles to shoot them in, something the English never got around to making.
At one time big game hunting in Africa was a gentleman's sport. It still is, I guess, but they're called sportsmen these days. If you go deer hunting in Virginia, you're just called a hunter. By no means were expensive English made double rifles the standard, though they were common for those hunting dangerous game. However, they started to be come less common when the ammunition became scarce after the war and even more so when good big-bore American cartridges became available with relatively less expensive bolt action rifles to shoot them in, something the English never got around to making.
I would think a double is a very viable for back up weapon.
Lets face it, when things go bad it will go bad real quick and will be over in just a second or two. In such situation I would want a double knowing I had two very quick shots. With a bolt you know you have one quick shot followed by few more shots much slower.
Lets face it, when things go bad it will go bad real quick and will be over in just a second or two. In such situation I would want a double knowing I had two very quick shots. With a bolt you know you have one quick shot followed by few more shots much slower.
HALLAUSTIN
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I would love to have a .416 rigby pump... Because that with a compensator would be a big beast.
WildBill45
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PROVEN OVER A CENTURY, THAT IS WHY!
Guides, cops, and others who trust their life with a gun love proven guns and designs ... let the tyros sort out the new fangled toys. Most who see different, is because they have never looked at death before them!
Alaska and Africa are two different things, so don't believe the lever guns would be suitable in Africa for a guide. Lions eat you, crocs eat you, other stuff kills you at a high rate in Africa if given the chance. The chance of seeing a bear in Alaska is slim, and the chance of one attacking is almost nil! THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN GEAR DUE TO THIS HISTORY! Every Year more people are killed by crocs and hippos alone than all the bear kills in Alaskan history!
Guides, cops, and others who trust their life with a gun love proven guns and designs ... let the tyros sort out the new fangled toys. Most who see different, is because they have never looked at death before them!
Alaska and Africa are two different things, so don't believe the lever guns would be suitable in Africa for a guide. Lions eat you, crocs eat you, other stuff kills you at a high rate in Africa if given the chance. The chance of seeing a bear in Alaska is slim, and the chance of one attacking is almost nil! THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN GEAR DUE TO THIS HISTORY! Every Year more people are killed by crocs and hippos alone than all the bear kills in Alaskan history!
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WildBill45
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Out in the bush, yes!
If you were to guide someone around here, you would need to carry a .22, or a 410 shotgun. About the only thing that will attack you is a Cotton Mouth Snake, everything else is scared to death of man, that includes the Mountain Loins, Wild Boar, Bobcats, Cyotes, and even the elusive Red Wolf.
On a strange thought though, these same animals might attack you if they thought you were from Callifornia.
On a strange thought though, these same animals might attack you if they thought you were from Callifornia.
WildBill45; I guess all those bells, whistles, 12 Ga shotguns, .44 Mag revolvers and cans of Bear Pepper Spray that are sold in Alaska are just wasted money then, easy sales to green-horn novices, etc. .....
I saw a guy on TV preaching once about how scared Alaskan Grizzlys were of men, and how they were all but tame and were not dangerous. Some enviromentalist or animal rights celebrity. I think his name was Timothy Treadwell or something like that, called himself "GRIZZLY MAN". He was on several TV shows a few years back.
I wonder what ever happened to him......?
Anyhow, I agree that Bolt actions are a rugged design and built to withstand harsh treatment and weather. Ever see the old Military Channel B&W films of WW1 Trench fighting? Those bolt guns were used and abused,... hard. Mud, rain, dust, etc. I don't think I would have wanted a lever gun over there at that time in History. And some of those WW1 fighters could work a bolt VERY quickly.
I saw a guy on TV preaching once about how scared Alaskan Grizzlys were of men, and how they were all but tame and were not dangerous. Some enviromentalist or animal rights celebrity. I think his name was Timothy Treadwell or something like that, called himself "GRIZZLY MAN". He was on several TV shows a few years back.
I wonder what ever happened to him......?
Anyhow, I agree that Bolt actions are a rugged design and built to withstand harsh treatment and weather. Ever see the old Military Channel B&W films of WW1 Trench fighting? Those bolt guns were used and abused,... hard. Mud, rain, dust, etc. I don't think I would have wanted a lever gun over there at that time in History. And some of those WW1 fighters could work a bolt VERY quickly.
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