Independent George
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ezmiraldo said:
I'm actually wondering if it's the dealer you bought them from; nobody's luck should be that bad.
Alternately, was your house by chance built over an Indian burial ground?
Why aren't today's semi-auto pistols more reliable?
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I'm actually wondering if it's the dealer you bought them from; nobody's luck should be that bad.
Alternately, was your house by chance built over an Indian burial ground?
Hammerhead
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I've never had one malfunction with an HK, in fact they've been more reliable than the revolvers I've owned. That includes feeding, firing, extracting and locking the slide back on empty.
Every time the question comes up 'are they worth the price of 2 Glocks?' my answer is yes, definitely.
Sigs have also been very good for me with a near perfect record in my hands.
Revolvers haven't been that reliable for me, and when there is a problem with a wheel gun, it's usually not a quick fix. Even my beloved Freedom Arms has broken a spring and locked up a time or two. Of all the revolvers I've owned, only the 2 Blackhawks were 100% trouble free.
Every time the question comes up 'are they worth the price of 2 Glocks?' my answer is yes, definitely.
Sigs have also been very good for me with a near perfect record in my hands.
Revolvers haven't been that reliable for me, and when there is a problem with a wheel gun, it's usually not a quick fix. Even my beloved Freedom Arms has broken a spring and locked up a time or two. Of all the revolvers I've owned, only the 2 Blackhawks were 100% trouble free.
Cheapshooter
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My SD/HD/CCW SEMI-AUTOS have not been 99.99% reliable. They have, and continue to be 100% reliable. LCP, LENGENDARY in their reliability, and Springfield Armory both approaching if not exceeding the 1K round mark without a single failure of any kind. Kahn CM9 in excess of 500 rounds, and probably closer to 750. Again, without a malfunction of any kind.
With Block, and Sig being the examples here, and being some of the most reliable pistols ever made, something just doesn't seem right with the OP's reported experience.
Then there is this.
Really? Check each and every factory round for seating depth? Examine primers for proper seating?
Maybe you're needlessly messing around with the ammo so much it's becoming contaminated!
I am stunned that some people in this thread are declaring 100% reliability with relatively low round counts as if it is a predictor of the future.
Every single gun will be 100 % until it is not. The past does not always predict the future.
Seem like the OP has had some bad luck. I have had a fair amount of guns pass through my hands new used young and old. Some with wheels some with mags. In the end all you can do is maintain them keep them lean and lubed and repair them when needed.
I believe that guns today are highly reliable. As reliable if not more reliable than most other consumer goods. Are they perfect? No. I believe that shortcuts have been taken and that the overall quality is not the same as it was in the past but that does not mean the gun does not run.
There is some amount of the Pinto principle working here but people forget that no gun company has never prouduced a dud.
Also everyone needs to remember 1=X is not a proof and that all poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles.
Every single gun will be 100 % until it is not. The past does not always predict the future.
Seem like the OP has had some bad luck. I have had a fair amount of guns pass through my hands new used young and old. Some with wheels some with mags. In the end all you can do is maintain them keep them lean and lubed and repair them when needed.
I believe that guns today are highly reliable. As reliable if not more reliable than most other consumer goods. Are they perfect? No. I believe that shortcuts have been taken and that the overall quality is not the same as it was in the past but that does not mean the gun does not run.
There is some amount of the Pinto principle working here but people forget that no gun company has never prouduced a dud.
Also everyone needs to remember 1=X is not a proof and that all poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles.
a hypothesis without any evidence is just a rumor.
even the army accepts failure, as evidenced in their recent modular handgun search, with failures accepted after a certain average round count.
but without some hard evidence of 'this gun on average fails after XX rounds, as determined by the following study', all the above is just idle chatter.
if you screw with the factory setup, if you use sub-standard ammo, if you don't clean and care for your gun per factory recommendations, then your data is worthless.
even the army accepts failure, as evidenced in their recent modular handgun search, with failures accepted after a certain average round count.
but without some hard evidence of 'this gun on average fails after XX rounds, as determined by the following study', all the above is just idle chatter.
if you screw with the factory setup, if you use sub-standard ammo, if you don't clean and care for your gun per factory recommendations, then your data is worthless.
I'm not sure what you concider a low round count, but to me there's got to be a point of diminishing returns.
I'm quite sure I'd trust a (insert pistol of choice here) that had 500 flawless rounds than the same model with 100,000 rounds, wear is eventually going to get to every gun.
The number varies from pistol to pistol and the specs associated with the pistol. What I am trying to get at is that it is not about this number or rounds or that number of rounds and I can declare the gun good or the gun a paper weight. There is no magic number and that the rounds that have been fired are in the past and that the past is may or may not be a good predictor of the future in terms of reliability.
zombietactics
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The OP's experience is atypical, and therefore forms a poor basis upon which to form his query.
The general experience is that modern semi-auto pistols are extremely reliable. I really have to wonder what weird confluence of events is going on in the case of the OP.
The general experience is that modern semi-auto pistols are extremely reliable. I really have to wonder what weird confluence of events is going on in the case of the OP.
I agree
I also agree with this.
I'm never gonna shoot 1000 rounds in a SD scenario so what do I care if it'll shoot that many rounds without cleaning, Heck I'd rather have one that's fired 1000 rounds and been cleaned every 100 at least I've tested it 10 times from a clean state.
Not knowing how much real experience the OP has with firearms it would be hard to even justify a response to his fears. Perhaps the expectations of the OP is far to great for ANY mechanical firearm.
I have hundreds of thousands of rounds through hundreds of different handguns and my impression of the modern pistol have been that they are only getting better with every evolution.
(fyi...Over 20 years I have had two different Glocks that needed servicing for simple reliability issues. Glocks reliability are "average" by today's standards. imo)
I have hundreds of thousands of rounds through hundreds of different handguns and my impression of the modern pistol have been that they are only getting better with every evolution.
(fyi...Over 20 years I have had two different Glocks that needed servicing for simple reliability issues. Glocks reliability are "average" by today's standards. imo)
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My own observations on ranges and I've sat through a few ccw qualifications as well... I noticed that some of the old standbys had reliability issues....
Many incarnations of the 1911 jam up.
Also smaller guns and pocket pistols seemed to suffer from limp wristing.
Just my observations, nothing empirical. I'm thinking many of these are handmedowns... Not sure.
Many incarnations of the 1911 jam up.
Also smaller guns and pocket pistols seemed to suffer from limp wristing.
Just my observations, nothing empirical. I'm thinking many of these are handmedowns... Not sure.