Why a .380?

I have a Mauser HSC that shoots in one little hole at 10 yards.

That's seven little 380 bullets like a machine gun.

It carries excellent.

I even like the little FEG blued copies-saw a brand new looking one for $250 not too long ago.

The SIG stainless ones are on the big side but great guns too.

It's about where you can put the bullet-not how big the bullets are.
 
I have been impressed with how accurate my Bersa is, my FEG is OK but nothing like the little Bersa. Can put a bullet where I want it at 20 yards.
 
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Ease of concealment....:D

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Jesse

P.S. I have other larger caliber choices for cc but the summer heat and humidity here in SE Ga make it extremely difficult to cc a larger weapon most of the time. Note the size difference between the LWS380 and the HK P7 or J-frame (638)

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Pics Helped A lot

I've shot a bunch of the guns mentioned but never really put them side by side. I guess I was thinking weight was the big factor in the past and that the airweight revolvers had over come that hurdle.

But it looks like there is still a very significant size difference.

Thanks for the input and pics.
 
Right now you couldn't give me a .380. Have two a Kel-tec P3AT and a Beretta 84.And until I find some .380 ammo they remain silent:eek: Well I guess you could give me one:D
 
Why a 380?

So why carry a .380? Is it capacity? It just fits you better? Better concealment?


Come on out and spend a summer in Texas and the answer will become obvious.

I have a S&W 642 that's a wonderful carry weapon. But from mid-May til the beginning of October, even that little snub is too durn big to fit decently in the front pocket of my shorts.

I can slip my Kel-Tec P-3AT along with a 2nd magazine in my Pocket Pal holster and it's no problem whatsoever.

I'm well aware that the 38+P is a more effective round than anything in .380 but I keep a mix of Buffalo Bore hardcast and Hornady hollow points in both magazines. I figure that combo of penetrators and expanders will be up to any job I'd ever have for 'em.
 
If I was new to guns, and looking for one, a 380 would not be anywhere in my choice.

1) The ammo is too difficult to find, and when you do find it, it's too expensive.
2) If you want a small caliber for carrying, a 32acp can be found much easier and cheaper, and it can shoot at about the same numbers as the 380 with the right ammunition.
3) I would probably go with a 9x18 (makarov, NOT 9mm luger) or a 7.62x25 Tok. The easily match a 9mm; quality military surplus guns are available inexpensive, and you can buy all the ammunition you want from $5-$10 a box of 50. And have a couple boxes of Hollow points for self defense.

I believe with training and practice, that a 32 is just as effective for self defense (carrying) as just about any other caliber. I go with the opposite ends for carrying. The 32acp (Feg AP-MBP) and the 45acp (SigSauer P220). I don't have any need for the in-between rounds. But knowing what I know now, if I was starting off new and looking for a nice carry gun and caliber. It definitely wouldn't be a 380auto. It would be a PA-63 or a CZ-82 in 9x18; or a Tokarev in 7.62x25. Now, you're not going to find the ammo at your local Walmart; but you can find (IN STOCK) as much as you want on the internet of the 7.62x25 for $5.71 a box of 50 (1224 rounds for $135; and a box of 50 JHP for $19) and also the 9x18 Makarov ammo for $10 box of 50 (500 rounds $109 FMJ and $13 for a box of JHP). Quality weapons; quality ammo; plenty of it; inexpensive; as good and some better than a 9mm. What more could you want. Definitely not the 380.
 
Luvs me some .380's. Some sweet little action there. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be hit by one. The naysayers just make me laugh.
 
Yea; there's a lot of people out there that believe that if you aren't shooting AT LEAST a 9mm; then there's no way you are going to stop the threat. These people are ignorant and watch way too many "Die Hard" type movies. We are NOT the police, military, TAC, SWAT, etc... We do NOT use our guns in an OFFENSIVE manner. We use our guns for DEFENSIVE purposes. 95% of all crimes that were deterred because the victim pulled our a gun; NEVER even had to pull the trigger. Simply presenting a gun and showing the WILL TO RESIST was enough to stop the crime. Even from the druggie who was trying to rob you. (If s/he coherent enough to ROB you, they are coherent enough to know there's a pistol pointed at them). Unfortunately, those who think they are Bruce Willis, Arnold, and Mel Gibson; talk about the crazed druggie where being shot with a 44 magnum is sometimes not enough. Well that may be true when you are OFFENSIVELY going after these people; such as police, FBI, DEA, Sheriff's office, etc... These drugged out people then are very angry; beyond rational thought; and feel no pain. But that is not what we have guns for. It is to DEFEND our lives and that of our family. And contrary to the IGNORANCE out there; criminals DO RATIONALIZE and think out their actions before hand. And guns do deter these people. Even criminal psychologists will tell you that most criminals are very rational people. They may make choices and decisions that the average person would never consider, but they are very rational in their methodology. The extreme majority; not counting crimes where the victim and criminal know each other; are personal crimes usually for robbery. The criminal wants money and they are aware of their actions.

So; a 25, 32, and 380 are perfectly fine for self defense. I probably wouldn't recommend one in the home; because anything past about 20 feet is pretty shaky. But 20-30 feet is all a self defense situation should be. If you are that far or further, you should be going the other way. And as I and others have said before; when it comes to personal crimes against Women; men will get a lot closer to a women in the hopes of using their machismo and size to intimidate a women. Whether it's a rape or simple robbery. They won't normally press up against another male that closely. However; that close can be a BENEFIT for a woman if she can remain calm. A 25acp less than a foot away from the FACE or Nuts; is a VERY EFFECTIVE WEAPON. And for those at the traditional 5-15 feet away; that 32 and 380 are perfect weapons. You don't NEED a 9mm, 40, 10mm, 38, 357, or 45acp. However; if those other calibers feel right in your hands; and shoot comfortably; and you like them; then THAT is the caliber you should be shooting. Whether it's a 32 or 45acp. Oh, and for those CONVINCED that if you don't have a minimum of a 10 round magazine, that you are asking for trouble;;;; I can only say one thing. "Learn how to shoot, and you won't NEED more than the traditional 6-8 rounds in a revolver or semi-auto". And no, you aren't worried about the crazy zombie druggie. If s/he was that drugged up, then they are probably little or no threat to you. Assuming they are coherent.

The only reason I don't recommend the 380, is because of the price gouging on the ammunition. Go with a 32acp, 9x18 makarov, 7.62x25 tokarev, or worst case scenario; the 9mm. These are very effective and inexpensive rounds to shoot. And VERY available. Not the $30-$50 a box for 380's.
 
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When demand settles down again, .380 prices will come back down too and availability will return to normal. But as long as people are buying all the 9mm the ammo makers can crank out and clamoring for more, no ammo maker in his right mind is going to shut down his 9mm presses to retool for a run of .380ACP.
 
I own both. I have a S&W 642 Airweight and a Magnum Research Micro Eagle. Yes, the 642 is "more gun", but the Micro serves the same purpose: self defense. The only difference is that I can conceal the much thinner and smaller Micro far more easily in a variety of attire options. It is unnoticeable in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster in shorts, khakis, or blue jeans. I can't say the same for the 642.
 
I own and carry both .38 snubs and .380 pistols. Why a .380ACP???? Because it boils down to shot placement. .22, 12 Ga, .38 or a .380, it doesn't matter; if the bullet enters a vital zone, is going to be lethal, or at least slow them down long enough to fire another round or two.
 
Hey Christcorp, nice reply. Couldn't agree more with you. By the way, our local range now has .380 in stock, in multiple brands, including Magtech and Winchester.
 
People choose revolvers for simplicity or because they feel they are more reliable.

People choose .38spl over .380 because it tends to penetrate more deeply, especially with expanding bullets that are on the heavy side. .380ACP won't usually penetrate to the FBI recommended minimum depth with expanding bullets and can't handle bullets as heavy as .38spl can.

People chose .380ACP pistols because they offer more capacity than a small .38 revolver, they're usually more shootable and because with light bullets the two calibers are very similar in performance. .380ACP pistols are also flatter and generally smaller and more concealable than the smallest .38spl revolvers and can also be a good bit lighter.
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John nailed it here (as usual).

In my case I carry either an LCR or an LCP in my pocket. The LCR works well in khakis or loose shorts. I can't carry it in jeans though, just doesn't work for me. J-frame Smiths don't either though. I feel like I've got an orange in my pocket when I try. For jeans pocket carry it's the LCP hands down.

I prefer the ballistics of a heavy .38 SPL +P. Actually I prefer the ballistics of a heavy .45 ACP. But there are times where wardrobe dictates carry and a .380 properly placed beats a sharp stick hands down.
 
Why, you ask??

Aesthetics, my boy, aesthetics.

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If it's good enough for Commander Bond, it's good enough for me, wot??
 
I own both a 638 air-weight and a LCP. I own both, I shoot both, I love both, and I carry both. For me it come down to what I am wearing that day. I am a fat-boy that spends a lot of time in dress slacks or khakis with a tucked in shirt. If my shirt is tucked in, I do not feel comfortable carrying IWB so that leaves me to pocket carry. For what ever reason, the J-frame makes a huge bulge in my pocket (slack pockets tend to be smaller I think) where as the LCP dropped into a nemesis will disappear. I also tend to carry the LCP if we go out for a jog as it fits better in gym shorts and the slightly reduced weight doesn't seem to want to pull down on the shorts when running.

If I have a jacket or untucked shirt, it's j-frame all the way IWB. Even if I am wearing jeans or shorts with a large enough pocket the j-frame in the pocket with a nemesis works great.


When it comes down to it, would I prefer to carry the J-frame? Yep, I do trust revolvers a little more than semis and I do feel that the .38 is a little better man stopper than the .380. However, I trust the .380 enough to be comfortable carrying it. As someone earlier said, I hope that if the situation arises that simply presenting a weapon will deter the threat, but if I had to use it I feel .380 could get the job done.
 
A report on the news recently told of a local home invasion where 3 guys throw a brick through a window and start to go in...Homeowner shoots the first perp 11 times with a 380.

I suppose you copuld say it worked because it stopped the invasion, but the guy shot 11 times is still with us so is questionable caliber.
 
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