Gunplummer
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You still transferred 9 firearms. It doesn't matter if you feel they're just "parts", the FFL still has to treat each one as a firearm because that's what it is. And $20 per firearm is a reasonable price in most areas, and a darn good price in some.TrueBlue711 said:Tennessee Arms are having their empty AR lowers on sale for $35 each w/ free shipping. I didn't want to pass up the sale, so I bought 9. The shop I sent them too is charging me $20 per lower. If they were fully assembled guns, I'd understand. But damn near $200 for a single box of parts (I know each part is the technical gun, but they're still just parts) is BS.
Why in the world are you going to "blast" them on Google or Yelp? You solicited their services and now you're upset that they charged you for those services? Are you being serious here? If you're surprised by the pricing then it's your own fault for not contacting them before you had your firearms shipped there.TrueBlue711 said:The purpose I made this post is I feel pretty cheated from a recent transfer and wanted to double check my facts before blasting them on Google/Yelp.
Let me get this straight: The dealer bought a gun on Gunbroker, and you and your buddy expect him to sell it for the exact amount he paid for it and nothing more? You honestly expect the dealer to work for free? Should every shop sell all their products for the exact amount they paid for them? You expect shops to never make any kind of profit? Either I'm missing something here or you and your buddy don't understand how retail works...Pahoo said:Okay, my buddy is not very savvy on computers, and found a firearm that he has been looking for. Not only is he not confident on computers, he has never placed a bid on EBay. He mentioned this to an FFL dealer that he has done some work for and the dealer offered to help him out by bidding on it. It was the dealer who bid and paid for the item and shipping. It was the dealers purchase and kept it to "sell' it to my buddy. It was the dealers firearm till he sold it to my buddy for all actual expenses. That was fine except he also charged him $25.00 for the transfer and that was not expected. .....
Again, in Iowa the cost of the FFL transfer is included in the purchase price.
It's my buddy's complaint and I agree .....
I just tell my FFL what's headed there way, I don't even need a reply.1.When a customer calls or emails me to begin a transfer.....I take the call or answer his email.
Ok I'll give this one to you.. you'll have to email a copy of your license assuming you've never had a shipment from that FFL before..2. I email the seller a copy of my FFL with shipping instructions.
Well that is a might difficult job.. you might have to use a box cutter or something so I'll throw in some hazard pay.3. When the gun arrives I unpack it, dispose of the box, bubble wrap and packing peanuts.
Ya I already mentioned this so no credit for this one.4. I log the manufacturer, model, serial#, type and caliber.
Ok now this one Im a bit fuzzy on.. I thought all guns shipped between FFL's had to have some paper work accompanying it, I almost wanna say they need to provide their own FFL license info in return.. but I don't know for sure to make an argument here.5. I log the name and address of the shipper (and often I have to do detective work to find out who actually shipped the gun and who is the transferee)
Very kind of you sir, but I have a tracking number, I already know when it's delivered.6. I notify the customer that his firearm has arrived.
I said 10 + what ever time you need with your bound book..ALL OF THAT OCCURS BEFORE THE CUSTOMER EVER SETS FOOT IN MY PREMISES!!!!!!!
"Ten minutes of work"????? Unbelievable.
I dunno but it sounds worthy of another thread and a poll to find out.. you're just the person to get to the bottom of this matter I can see that.How many people here are better at math than you?
NO B&M Gun shop should be depending on transfers to keep the lights on, if you are then you're SERIOUSLY in trouble!How many people here understand that there are more expenses to running a business than the face time with the customer?
How many people here get free alarm systems, free safes, free electricity, free office supplies, free rent and free insurance on firearms? That stuff ain't free and you should know that.
How's that? because I left out such trivial things as emailing your license to the sending FFL if it's not already on file? opening and disposing of a shipping box?Granted, you don't really know jack squat about anything to do with FFL transfers.
FFLs get to charge what they think is a reasonable fee for their time, knowledge, and the use of their professional license. How much do you charge for your time/knowledge/skills?
I've read that three times and have no idea what you are trying to say.UncleEd It seems to me that under the 2nd Amendment it is our right to have FFLs who do our bidding and keep their tiny greedy hands in their pockets. It's our right.
So, you FFLs, got that, bubs?
More than one newbie FFL has asked that same question. Unfortunately, Federal law/ATF regulations prohibit dealers from conducting business at anyplace other than their licensed premises or a gunshow/special event.P.S.: How about dealers making home deliveries? Ought to be part of the service provided under the FFL. And while they are at it, stop off and pick up a pizza as part of their service package to the customer.
§478.50 Locations covered by license.
The license covers the class of business or the activity specified in the license at the address specified therein. A separate license must be obtained for each location at which a firearms or ammunition business or activity requiring a license under this part is conducted except:
(a) No license is required to cover a separate warehouse used by the licensee solely for storage of firearms or ammunition if the records required by this part are maintained at the licensed premises served by such warehouse;
(b) A licensed collector may acquire curios and relics at any location, and dispose of curios or relics to any licensee or to other persons who are residents of the State where the collector's license is held and the disposition is made;
(c) A licensee may conduct business at a gun show pursuant to the provision of §478.100; or
(d) A licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer may engage in the business of dealing in curio or relic firearms with another licensee at any location pursuant to the provisions of §478.100.
[T.D. ATF-191, 49 FR 46890, Nov. 29, 1984, as amended by T.D. ATF-401, 63 FR 35523, June 30, 1998]
§478.100 Conduct of business away from licensed premises.
(a)(1) A licensee may conduct business temporarily at a gun show or event as defined in paragraph (b) if the gun show or event is located in the same State specified on the license: Provided, That such business shall not be conducted from any motorized or towed vehicle. The premises of the gun show or event at which the licensee conducts business shall be considered part of the licensed premises. Accordingly, no separate fee or license is required for the gun show or event locations. However, licensees shall comply with the provisions of §478.91 relating to posting of licenses (or a copy thereof) while conducting business at the gun show or event.
(2) A licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer may engage in the business of dealing in curio or relic firearms with another licensee at any location.
(b) A gun show or an event is a function sponsored by any national, State, or local organization, devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms, or an organization or association that sponsors functions devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community.
(c) Licensees conducting business at locations other than the premises specified on their license under the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section shall maintain firearms records in the form and manner prescribed by subpart H of this part. In addition, records of firearms transactions conducted at such locations shall include the location of the sale or other disposition, be entered in the acquisition and disposition records of the licensee, and retained on the premises specified on the license.
[T.D. ATF-270, 53 FR 10498, Mar. 31, 1988, as amended by T.D. ATF-401, 63 FR 35523, June 30, 1998]
Sounds like he did him a favor.It was the dealers purchase and kept it to "sell' it to my buddy. It was the dealers firearm till he sold it to my buddy for all actual expenses. That was fine except he also charged him $25.00 for the transfer and that was not expected.
It may be all "profit" -- if all their other business costs and expenses for that month have been taken care of by other transactions. Remember, profit is what's left after all the bills have been paid. But, what's that 20 minutes of time worth? That's 20 minutes of time that won't be devoted to other aspects of running the business.TrueBlue711 said:Or does it cost them nothing to do (except for 20min of their time) and is all profit?
This has been going on since the beginning of time. Buyer vs seller.