Whistle Blowers

I know I face risks SHOULD i need a deer out of season. I assure you I would consume more of the deer than most sport hunters do. Rib meat, neck meat... not just the 4 hams I see many sport shooters take. Growing pot in your home risks more than your rifle and truck. You may lose your home and any belongings they say you got from dope proceeds... Plus the risk of long term incarceration is not advantageous to raising a family. Not to mention becoming a felon losing gun rights...
This buck don't Rut any more. I had my wife spayed 16 years ago after our second child.
Brent
 
That he would rob a bank because he might take a deer to feed his family makes about as much sense as he's going to be a herion addict selling to kiddiegartners because he smoked a joint. Your reachin real far.:barf:
 
It Is STEALING!!!!!!!

If I want to hunt I buy all the required licenses and tags. I then wait for the correct time and place to hunt. If anyone, espically on nonprivate land, takes a game animal illegally, that is stealing. That person stole from me, plain and simple. That game animal could have been mine and I paid for it.

One more question, if someone is so poor that they need to supplement their families meals with poached deer, what are they doing on the internet?

Yes their is no more deer shortage due to game laws and enforcement of said laws. Doesn't it then stand to reason that poaching would be counterproductive to sound game management?
 
If I take a deer of my yard how is it stealing? How could you ever say it may have been yours? No one gets hunting permission to hunt my 5 acre yard. those game meat banks are not every where nor do they have meat all year. In my case... How do I have internet? I have kids that need it for school. I do pay my hunting tax as do you. I hunt during legal hours of legal seasons as do you. Before I go hungry in july I would consider all my options. I will also say that in this entire thread I have posted what I consider as options. I have not had to poach a deer and with any luck I will make to season so I don't have to dip into the stock of deer that cross my place as I enjoy having them around. Come season I won't be burning alot of gas finding deer I will go to the nearest place to me and load the cheapest ammo I can buy and go for a one shot kill. With any luck my deer will cost less than 12 bucks each not counting my tax and wma fee.
Brent
 
re:hogdogs

There may be a few folks that are so desperate that I can understand an illegal kill. But I have the feeling that most poachers do it just for the heck of it. I posted the link to game meat for a reason. Now there is the excuse that it ain't covenient. This is starting to remind me of the bum on the corner panhandling for money cause he is hungry. Offer to buy him a sandwhich and see how happy he becomes.

Yes, I suppose a person with his back against the wall has to resort to desperate measures. But I bet dollars to doughtnuts that most of these so called 'poachers" just don't want to follow the rules. I am also willing to bet that if someone donated a side of beef to these folks that they would be out poaching long before they ran out meat.

I am now going to put my money where my mouth is. If any member of TFL has a hungry family please PM me. I will contact a grocery store nearest to your home. I will arrange to cover your next food bill. Does anyone want to guess how long I'll have to wait to make good on my offer?
 
Two years ago I would have called BS on MOST poachers. As a middle class guy that has been hurting for at least a year now, I might be more understanding about a man trying to feed the kids. He probably had those kids before gas was $4 a gallon and hamburger was $4 a pound! If he still has his job he may have gotten a 3% raise in a 5.2% inflation year (I DID!). He may not be as fortunate as I to be starting a new marginally better paying job next week.

I also grew up in a sawmill town in NW Oregon that had it's share of tough times in the late 70's and early 80's. I know for a fact that the wardens there tended to look the other way for certain folks that needed meat to get by. They were very harsh on those who didn't need meat. It was a judgement call. Nowdays they have more deer and elk than back then. Helping a guy out that needed it back then apparently didn't hurt a thing. Busting a guy hard that shot up a herd of elk with his AR on a whiskey drunk didn't hurt either.

The fact is, times are rougher for some people right now than most folks probably realize. I've been waiting to go to the range since early June when my cheapo cleaning rod broke. I'm waiting until I have $30 to buy a good one. So far I've waited for over two months. That being said, there is food on the table. Some can't say that. I just hope things change soon or I may be desperate myself.

I'm dying to get some range time with 600 .223 reloads finished and in the cabinet. I just have to be patient for now.
 
One thing that does bug me about some folks is what I call "venison greed". One person I know has the BAR's a hunt lease and still finds it necessary to go out before sun up and pop deer out of hay fields and has even used his Late model 4X4 Diesel to knock 'em down so he can jump out and finish it off. He is one of the ones that doesn't even gut them, just hang 'em up and skin so he can get the hams and straps and some neck meat. He just like to live a little risky I guess. But with our liberal 2 per day season it is fair to say it is easy for an average guy with decent skills can fill a family freezer in the 60+ days of season. But then again his chosen round is a .300 win mag...:rolleyes:
Brent
 
That game animal could have been mine and I paid for it.
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Do you get this bent out of shape while driving and call the police to report speeders or people rolling through stop signs?

I'm taking you to task on this issue not because I am a poacher trying to justify my own actions but rather because busy-bodies like yourself are far more likely to get someone in trouble who doesn't deserve to be. Serious trouble. I've never shot a game animal out of season but I am really glad I don't have you for a neighbor.
 
just an idea

I just got in from squirrel hunting. I got one:) of the three I seen:mad:. While I was out. I was thinking about this thread.

Here in Indiana, we have a program through the County Sheriff. It is a list you can get placed on. When ever a deer is hit by a car, The department will put it down. They then go down the list until someone is found who wants it. You may check into that.

Here in Indiana they raised our doe limits again. we are only aloud 8 PER COUNTY! I have 3 kids that hunt with me. Their license includes all deer tags. We live within a stones throw of 3 counties. If they harvest all there does, they would have 24 each. Care to guess what kind of meat is and will be in the freezer?

I recommend you come north young man.
 
I never have poached a deer. I came real close one time though. I was packed and ready to go. Then something came through and I reasoned that it was not necessary so did not. How in the world is taking a deer stealing? Two deer, three, a herd, maybe, but not one, not for food.

I'm self employed. Been so since 1994 for the most part. I get work over the internet. Do you have any idea how much operating costs have risin in the past 14 years? Licensing fees, continuing education, material, tools, insurance, advertising, banking fees, phone fax cell internet, fuel costs, just to name a few off the top of my head. In 1994 my monthly overhead was 1500 dollars per month. The last couple years it is closer to 5000 per month. I'm not making any more money net but paying out more for the priviledge of being legal & self employed. I crunched the numbers and last year it cost me an average of 65 dollars an hour to have my service truck on the road. My labor rate is 70 dollars an hour, the math jumps up at you, no need to grab a calculator. All these things have to be paid first before the trip to the grocery store or the business will not survive. I pay them because I want to be on top of the table and fully legal licensed insured when I roll up to your door. Needless to say, there's some tight months of the year, and yet, I've never had to go through with taking a deer under the radar. I want to leave you "your" deer, do the right thing. Sometimes the right thing is eating though! I can understand that.

You want to buy me some groceries Roy? Bless you. Thing are kinda tight right now. Think I'm pullin your leg? Want a couple bank statements that say XXX deposited last month, and XXX+ was withdrawn? Whats your fax #? They read like a sad sad story that may make ya wanna cry if it was you.

I drew a deer tag for this year though, got it!! I usually cannot afford it at hunting season time but got smart this time and deducted the cost from my checkbook last Christmastime when things were flush so to speak.
 
Poachers should be reported and prosecuted.

I have never actually seen anyone poaching but if I did I would report it. I have hunted a lot in E TX and have heard numerous stories of poachers including those who do so for a price...getting paid for the deer meat etc from some source. I also think there is a lot of poaching that goes on out there by the folks that live there and I do not think it is just because they need it to survive. I think a lot of the peoples mentality on it is that it is their right to do so...I think they have grown up there and their families have always done so so they do it. If you have ever hunted the pineywoods of E TX you probably know what I am talking about. I DO NOT THINK that just because you grow up there it gives you the right to kill game animals out of season and neighbor or not if I saw it I would report it. That being said if I knew that someone was doing it that needed the meat for food due to economic reasons I would not report it.

As far as shooting light...no...unless it was REALLY after dark or WAY before first light.

Did anyone read the story in the NRA mag about the poacher being caught and telling the judge he is addicted and just can not stop himself? Did you see what the judge sentenced him to? What a load of crap! He did not get a bit of jail time. And this is not someone who just made a mistake...he admitted he poached and had done so before. This is one of the reasons people continue to poach!
 
Re:CraigC

I don't report minor traffic violations because the officer has to witness the action. If I thought it would result in a citation I would.

Let me repeat, when good people ignore evil it will contunue to go on.
 
Selective Laws

It seems that some folks pick and choose which laws should be followed. They must be big fans of Clintons.

Quoting old rock stars is pretty irritating too.
 
Somebody busting one from alongside the road? Aside from the poaching issue, people who do that don't worry much about what's behind the deer, and they're often about half tanked as well. Drunks and idiots firing guns out the pickup window, desperately need a trip to the pokey.

However...

A fella taking a deer on his own land, for his own reasons? I could care less and I don't expect him to explain those reasons. I know people who have replaced young trees 3-4 times because of the deer stripping them. One of my friends had this problem & called the game warden. She was told we could get a permit to whack a few, but the meat had to be donated to a charitable distribution program. Well that's great, right? You bet it is...until he told her that SHE had to pay for the processing on each deer! I thought he had to be FOS so I called MDOC and inquired as to the policy. They told me it was the officer's discretion in his area of responsibility. Stupidity like this is what causes otherwise decent folks to take a .22 and sit down by the hedgerow...

I would also never report a man who I believed took a deer out of season, to feed his family.

Then there is the loss of human life, suffering and property damage that results from car-motorcycle vs. deer accidents, each year. Aside from their value as food and sporting entertainment, the damn things are a nuisance- and if there weren't a hunting season on them, I'd view them with the same affection and admiration that I assign to a coyote- something I'd kill with a shovel if it were stupid enough to let me that close.

I guess it's easy to hold some of these animals in high regard if you don't have to deal with their 'down side' on a monthly, if not weekly, basis.
 
They must be big fans of Clintons.
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Now you're getting personal. That statement and the continuing referral to shooting deer out of season as "evil" leads me to question your values, even moreso than the drunken road hunter.
 
I'm pretty strict as far as game laws are concerned. The shooting time... well, I give it my best shot, but I don't necessarily know precisely when the sun rises or sets. So I feel shooting hours are essentially as late or early as you can see game clearly with a regular scope without the aid of any artificial light sources. No night scopes. No infarred, please.

I also would not intentionally report someone who I thought needed the meat to feed his family because of their financial circumstances. Otherwise, I would call the warden even if I worked with them or were neighbors.

I think guns and cars used as aids in the commisson of poaching should be confiscated on the second offense. On the first offense, I think their should be a pretty good fine and a severe spanking. But I don't want to see wardens nitpicking laws. I like to see some common sense applied to enforcement.
 
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