Which Revolver for My 92 Year-old Dad?

I am thinking a model 10 or other K frame in a 2 inch barrel would work well, maybe a 3 inch gun for a little more sight radius if it would work for him. Mode of carry has to come into play a little as one can pocket a J frame gun but not a K/L frame. Of course if he plans belt carry or wants a fanny pack then a k frame is very reasonable, maybe even an L.

I hope that I am not being overly presumptive but I am thinking 38 special +p equates way better in this equation than 357 magnum. There are a ton of smith and wesson grips out there, one can find what works for him, and a K frame is pretty easy to hide on one's body if going out. Plus the trigger can be slicked up to the point it is very user friendly. I would plan of finding what works for him then getting a trigger job no matter what and don't be afraid to sand the grips or do whatever to make the gun fit the hand it need to.

Cost wise you should be able to make a used model 10 snubby come in under 450, maybe even 350. Lasers are fine if one must but they restrict you grip choices as most are built into the grips plus at most self defense ranges point or instinct shooting is likely more important.

Not a big fan of anything in the super compact 5 shot classification for anyone who is not a somewhat dedicated user who plans to practice a good bit, between grip size and sight radius it's just a lot to work out. Plus again not to make assumptions here but I am thinking a 92 year old in Ohio can hide a K frame in most manners of dress.

One other consideration would be something in the 32 magnum / 327 federal mag classification. You get "magnum" energies with less recoil and an extra shot. So he could have a 6 shot ruger SP101 or 7 shot GP 100. I am personally not someone who is a flag waving fan of these calibers however here is a niche were they might be of genuine utility. Were I in your shoes it's a suggestion I would make and let him decide. Keep in mind in the ruger line the trigger tend to be rough new and plan to pay someone to smooth them out. I have read more than one account of bad folks falling to well placed 32 smith and wesson rounds.

Last consideration is, is it a given that it must be a revolver? While I shoot and appreciate many revovlers and would agree that your Dad's needs are "textbook" for a revolver might there be a few semi-auto guns worth considering? Maybe a Beretta 85 or 86 in 380? I know the 380 is not the "manstopper" everyone wants to have on their night stand however well placed rounds count more than anything and in a larger frame gun the 380 is easy shooting esp on a traditional da / sa gun. Just another consideration to think of, they are not popular so finding one in a store may be a challenge.

I share the disgust you and others have expressed with him being victimized, I wish you were closer to where I live as I can think of several reasonably priced revolvers I have seen lately for sale that might do well for him.

A dog is a useful deterrent, however it's just that unless it's a trained K9, which is a whole other idea and beyond what I am guessing you want to get into. Also a dog would not have helped much out at the mail box situation you report. That being said the trappings of a dog (food bowls, chew toys, beware of dog signs) and or one of those motion detector based deals that barks would be a consideration if I were in your shoes, I know many who do this. Does it work? I don't know but every bit helps and it's cheap. My 2 dogs chew up 5 and 15 gallon plastic buckets / drums, if you want I will mail you one to add to the effect if he has a yard.

The companionship is a whole other subject, and I would say not to steal Nike's slogan sometiems you have to "just do it" knowing that it might not work and having a plan B for if it does not, I have had to do this with my family.
 
I don't see anything wrong with a model 10. Steel frame, big grip to hang onto. Besides, he's already familiar with it. Low recoil in a steel gun. Might be a little big for a pocket, but would work fine in a holster.

Airweight 38s are a little snappy. One of my favorite little guns is a 432PD. Not much recoil in 32 mag, almost nothing in 32S&W long.

If the weight of the trigger pull is an issue, that can always be worked out. Or just buy an older Smith.
 
I'm being somewhat presumptive here, as a newbie. But thinking about it, I'd suggest an N frame S&W .357 with 4 or 6 inch barrel.

A good idea-but I'm afraid that any N-frame sized revolver would be a little on the hefty side to lug around concealed. Welcome to TFL, lmurray. As you can see even in just this thread, there's lots of good, well-informed folks who participate in The Firing Line site.
 
If it was my dad, I'd buy a revolver I really like. That's because I know he'd just put it away for me to inherit later.

Hmm...a Korth is coming to mind. :)

Does your dad want a gun and you are helping him find the right one? Or are telling him he's getting one, what will it be?


I'm not sure what you mean by this question. As mentioned, he is currently in the process of securing an Ohio CCW license, not so much because he wants a gun, but more so because he needs one. The man is almost living under siege in his own home. I am trying to help him find the right handgun for his specific needs.
 
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I'd like to take this moment to express my sincere appreciation for everyone who has offered their advice and insights to the problem I am facing. It's obvious to me that the suggestions have been well thought-out and each one has given me something to think about and consider.

At the risk of incurring the wrath of some folks (yes, I've seen the many derogatory remarks over the past few years), dare I posit the possibility of getting a Taurus :o revolver for my dad? I am specifically looking at their models 856 SS2 (s/s) and 856 B2 (blued). These .38 Special models are described as being all steel, "small frame" revolvers but offering six shots. They weigh 22.2 ounces and come with 2" barrels (I think I might prefer a 3" barrel but that size barrel doesn't seem very popular with most people). These revolvers seem to be configured a lot like the long-discontinued Colt Detective Special. A draw-back for some (and maybe even for me) is that they are offered only in traditional da, hammer spur and all.
 
You can never go wrong with a .50 Desert Eagle. Just the sight of that large a chunk of steel is enough to make most think twice about their bad decision. :)
 
At the risk of incurring the wrath of some folks (yes, I've seen the many derogatory remarks over the past few years), dare I posit the possibility of getting a Taurus revolver for my dad? I am specifically looking at their models 856 SS2 (s/s) and 856 B2 (blued). These .38 Special models are described as being all steel, "small frame" revolvers but offering six shots. They weigh 22.2 ounces and come with 2" barrels (I think I might prefer a 3" barrel but that size barrel doesn't seem very popular with most people). These revolvers seem to be configured a lot like the long-discontinued Colt Detective Special. A draw-back for some (and maybe even for me) is that they are offered only in traditional da, hammer spur and all.

Ummmmm.....so apparently you don't like your dad? Or you want him to carry a backup gun? Because if he carries a taurus, a second gun is a good idea ;)

Ok in all seriousness I for one disagree that 6 shots over 5 is a serious advantage. Imagine the scenario that you fire 5 shots and need a sixth? Time to run! Also, you can get a nice used S&W cheaper than a Taurus if you look. The S&W J frame lineup is very affordable even new. You can find used $300 S&W J frames if you look around. Of course the two models I mentioned (649 and 640) aren't the easiest to find, but they are good in every category.

DA only is also not a draw back. You have to assume that he will fire DA in a SD situation anyways. Why bother to practice with SA? If you want him to shoot SA, he could buy a range gun for that. If you want a combination range and carry gun, good luck. You are going to give up an advantage for either side. I could see a combination bedside / range gun, but for CC, most guns are harder to shoot at the range. For example, 4 in K frames are harder to conceal that J frame snubs. Just my opinion.

A taurus? D-glud, you're smarter than that!
 
Your father is a valuable treasure. I would not settle for a brand with a spotty track record. I believe a fixed sight 357/38 would be Ideal. A model 10 Smith, sp101, Service Six, etc..... These guns are tried and true and are about as simple as you can get.

The trigger pull on my sp101 is a little stiffer than my Service Six, but it handles the 38s with flying colors. Just a couple suggestions, but whatever you choose make sure it suits him and the gun has a good track record.


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Ok in all seriousness I for one disagree that 6 shots over 5 is a serious advantage.

I never bought into this "school of thought". I'm not saying that five shots won't carry the day most of the time, but if everything else is mostly equal (i.e., a six-shot, Colt Cobra/Agent weighing 16 ounces vs a five-shot, Smith Airweight, weighing 16 ounces), I'll opt for the greater capacity every time. "Most of the time" is not all of the time. You can count on some misses and you can't count out multiple aggressors. In my capacity as a criminal investigator for 26 years, I have had the duty to interview more than a couple of people involved in gun fights and I can assure you that no one has ever complained about having too many bullets on board.

Imagine the scenario that you fire 5 shots and need a sixth? Time to run!

And if I have the sixth? No need to run yet!

If you want a combination range and carry gun, good luck. You are going to give up an advantage for either side. I could see a combination bedside / range gun, but for CC, most guns are harder to shoot at the range. For example, 4 in K frames are harder to conceal that J frame snubs. Just my opinion.

You seem to be in agreement with 22-rimfire's opinion when he suggested:

Unfortunately, I lean toward two revolvers; one for inside the house, and one to carry when he goes off to the store or where ever.


I think I kind of acknowledged this reality earlier when I conceded:

I'm aware that no one handgun can do all things. I guess I'm interested in getting the one revolver that best takes all of the necessary compromises into account when deciding on the best balance for the contingencies my father faces.

Hmm...What's your opinion as to a Hi-Point for the "house gun"? :eek:
 
I never bought into this "school of thought". I'm not saying that five shots won't carry the day most of the time, but if everything else is mostly equal (i.e., a six-shot, Colt Cobra/Agent weighing 16 ounces vs a five-shot, Smith Airweight, weighing 16 ounces), I'll opt for the greater capacity every time. "Most of the time" is not all of the time. You can count on some misses and you can't count out multiple aggressors. In my capacity as a criminal investigator for 26 years, I have had the duty to interview more than a couple of people involved in gun fights and I can assure you that no one has ever complained about having too many bullets on board.

The problem with your stance is that 6 shots is only 1 more shot, and not a decisive advantage even for your philosophy. So really, you have to carry a speedloader based on your opinion. But the problem there is reloading takes time and it may be impossible to do in a SD scenario, depending on a lot of factors. So now you need a gun that holds 10 or more shots, because 5 isn't good enough (6 can't be either). But you said a revolver over a semi auto.

I see fault with all of that. The solution to 5 shots being too little is not a magic 6th shot (the 6th likely won't help if 5 did not already). Instead the solution is a speedloader or a semi auto handgun. As I said, 6 over 5 isn't important in a SD scenario.
 
I didn't mean to get into a caliber war, a capacity war or a Taurus vs everybody else war. But I see no "problem" with my stance ("if everything else is almost equal...I'll opt for the greater capacity every time...") if I ever have the misfortune of getting caught up in a gun fight. I don't regard having 20% more ammunition at my disposal something to arbitrarily ignore. If capacity is such a non-issue, why not load up with four? After all, the last time I checked, most gun fights are concluded after only three shots are expended. That would give you one extra in a "typical" (whatever that is) gun fight-and there would be no need to run. :)

The problem with your stance is that 6 shots is only 1 more shot, and not a decisive advantage even for your philosophy.

Well, I beg to differ. If I really need a sixth shot, that one more shot would indeed constitute a "decisive advantage". Nobody can predict the many varied contingencies (including missing with a couple of those precious five rounds) possible in any given situation involving a gun fight. It just doesn't work that way, and I prefer to stack all of the odds I can in my favor.

I have always respected your opinion, Winchester_73, and I get what you're saying in this instance. I happen to disagree with it and you'll have to either respect my opinion or simply disregard it. I think that my opinion in this case is steeped in reality and I ain't changing it anytime soon. It's a "debate" that has no reconcilable outcome that I can see so, at best, we'll simply have to, as they say, agree to disagree.
 
I for one am not a fan of taurus esp. new at MSRP or close to it. However their revolvers are a reasonable option, IF you properly vet whatever one you buy for fit / function, maybe have a smith go over it if you can find one who works on them to check it out and smooth function, and test fire it a bunch. It all comes down to what you are comfortable with, I will not have a Smith and wesson with the lock. Does that mean everyone must feel this way? Nope. Nor does it mean if I let my mother buy one with the lock that I don't care about her.

In the circles I travel in I have seen enough Taurus guns with issues not to want to go out and pay my hard earned dollars for a crap shoot though they, as you have observed, do make some desirable configurations. Likewise I have seen plenty of Taurus revolvers that have come in as a trade or whatever that shoot really well and have nothing wrong with them. Usually the conversation goes something like this... look at this Taurus I ended up with on that saddle deal, figure I will throw it behind the seat of the truck as it's not really worth much more than that. Next week -- how's that Taurus shoot? --- really well, I'm looking for a holster for it.

If you have places to look at used guns like pawn shops you might find a smith / ruger / colt at a price similar to the Taurus new. Which gun is a better gun is not a simple question as shopping used you have to be able to tell a good, functioning gun from a beat up ****. However If you find a good used colt / smith / ruger at a good price and it turns out to NOT be the gun for your dad for whatever reason, size, sights, trigger etc. you will get out of it with a lot less money lost compared to a new Taurus that does not work out.

Lastly I see you are looking at traditional DA/SA revolvers vs DAO guns, I for one lean heavy towards the DA/SA guns, UNLESS you are talking a true pocket gun like a 5 shot 640/642. Even then many a model 60 has been carried in the pocket, one just has to remember to guard the hammer spur on the draw. Furthermore I believe having SA mode for training is invaluable, many shooters I have worked with / taught start out on smaller / shorter barreled revolvers in DA and have real issues. Starting in SA mode we can focus on the unforgiving sights of the snubbies, and grip / recoil control and the fact they are making good hits builds them up then we can put it all together with the DA trigger thrown in as well.
 
Furthermore I believe having SA mode for training is invaluable, many shooters I have worked with / taught start out on smaller / shorter barreled revolvers in DA and have real issues. Starting in SA mode we can focus on the unforgiving sights of the snubbies, and grip / recoil control and the fact they are making good hits builds them up then we can put it all together with the DA trigger thrown in as well.

I think you make a great point here. And practicing placing the ball of your thumb on the spur of the hammer as you draw the revolver from a pocket location will go a long way toward preventing a snag.
 
Since he has experience with a K-38, that might be the place to start. A little hard to carry, even to the mailbox without a proper belt and holster, though. If he intends to concealed carry, he should have something he will carry. If a K-38 is too large or heavy, then look at steel or alloy J-frames, Ruger LCR, etc.

I wouldn't obsess too much about caliber. The smaller calibers come with more shots in the cylinder, so it tends to even out. You just want him to have a platform he has confidence in, whether it's 5x .38, 6 x .32, or 8x .22.
Find him the right combination of carry weight, trigger pull, and accurate hits. If a .22 is what he likes best, don't worry. He's old and alone. His confidence level and skill level are more important than caliber.
 
By most all accounts Taurus is a significant drop in quality - and reliability, etc ...which are all part of the quality issue in my mind -- over Colt or S&W especially and even the Ruger.

Capacity isn't the issue ...so I'd ignore all that...

With the number of high quality options out there in S&W K frames ...or even J frames if he decides to go that route....I wouldn't go with Taurus.
 
But I see no "problem" with my stance ("if everything else is almost equal...I'll opt for the greater capacity every time...") if I ever have the misfortune of getting caught up in a gun fight.

There are "not all equal" issues here, such as what gun specifically with 6? A taurus has 6, but 5 from the S&W is better because its a better manufacturer and might be a better design to boot. Everything is not necessarily going to be equal with what you desire because S&W does not make a small pocket size 6 shot 38 cal so you are considering a gun that could be inferior. If you don't care, there is the armscor 38 which is a close copy of a detective special. I've read mixed reviews about them. Colts don't open as well (pull vs push) and so I'd carry a S&W over a Colt.

I have always respected your opinion, Winchester_73, and I get what you're saying in this instance. I happen to disagree with it and you'll have to either respect my opinion or simply disregard it. I think that my opinion in this case is steeped in reality and I ain't changing it anytime soon. It's a "debate" that has no reconcilable outcome that I can see so, at best, we'll simply have to, as they say, agree to disagree.

That's fine and I appreciate what you mean. Keep in mind though by your logic, 8 shots is better than 6, and 10 shots is better than that. Since more is better, what if 6 guys come, and 3 have bullet proof vests, so then you need a double stack 9mm or better because 6 rounds isn't enough, but 16 might be. One of those guys could be ex LE or military, and a shootout could arise, what if what if what if. If you think each round counts, I think you should want more than 6 rounds. If you think 6 is enough, then so is 5. Remember that if they're well placed, 5 shots of 38 special could result in 5 bodies. If your dad can't hit something with 5 shots, 6 shots isn't the solution. By your logic, a speed loader is definitely needed, although I don't think they are.

The solution to the fault of my 5 shot suggestion is a speedloader. Problem solved. 6 shots without a speedloader here doesn't make much sense by your statements. If you are about having more rounds, and rounds equal more chances to hit, raising your odds of survival, then he should get a speedloader. If you disagree with this advice, then you actually agree with me.
 
I think you make a great point here. And practicing placing the ball of your thumb on the spur of the hammer as you draw the revolver from a pocket location will go a long way toward preventing a snag.

So your dad is 92, and you mention about "simple design" - its obvious that the best solution is eliminating this extra step of remembering to thumb the hammer to prevent a snag. If something actually happened, the less steps the better hence DA over SA as I've mentioned in other posts.

A hammerless gun or a shrouded hammer would be best IMO but I already said that and so perhaps you disagree. Its your choice.

Regarding SA being easier to learn initially - anyone ever hear of a "trigger job" ? So you lessen the DA pull, to where its longer, but not esp heavy. SA shooting should not be of chief concern in this instance, but do as you want.
 
And one more thing...

Ever actually try target shooting SA with a snubnose? Not that easy to do anyways because of the sights and sight radius. The trigger pull isn't as good as a medium frame target gun either. Its a small advantage in this platform for target shooting because the difficulty stems from the other traits of the gun.

If there are accuracy and proficiency concerns, an SA/DA 38 snub is not the solution. Thats a difficult gun to learn on. You should train on something different, such as a K frame 22 or 38, which makes getting shots on target much easier. Start off with English 101 before 103, etc etc.
 
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I'm 64 and I'm thinking about selling all my guns and taking Brazilian Ju Jitsu and Muay Thai. It's a great way to keep the body fit. I just don't know if getting all those tattoo's will hurt.:eek:

Seriously, just get him a can of bear spray and a telescoping baton. For inside the house, make sure he has a gas mask nearby.....otherwise he'll be going to the hospital with respiratory distress.
 
My opinion

My dad is 66 years old not as old as your dad. I too am in the law Enforcement community & have used many firearms over the years. A few years ago I talked my father into carrying & he went with the Glock 23. 40. Is your father definitely going to carry? I know with his age a larger framed revolver is not going to be comfortable. I know you are leaning more towards a revolver for him but my advice would be just take a look at the Glock 26 9mm. Yes it an auto but is the most reliable, functional, simple, accurate, & controllable smaller hand guns out there. I think with your dad's age shooting those snub nose 38 revolver's are not the way to go. I even like the accuracy more on a G26 compared to the 38 snubies any day. Then we have the folks that say well 9mm doesn't have enough stopping power well a Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok round is suitable enough to stop a threat. I bought my G26 as a back up gun. My daily carry is a Sig 229 .40.
 
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