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which pistol for hd/nightstand duty?
- Thread starter grantman
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It all sounds very good. Cell phones don't provide electricity. I guess they can act as a flashlight in a pinch. But you really aren't seriously going to rely on a 911 call are you? I guess that last question is geographically relative. I live and work with an agency that has an extremely high-volume emergency call center taking both fire and police calls for service. 20 min delay on the hottest calls is average. Maybe where you are you'll get the cops in time to help you out. Good luck and keep your powder dry.
armedleo, the cell is to alert the police that a home invasion is in progress, that I am armed and my location, that I will fire under threat. To stay on the line with updated info and if all goes well that the police have arrived and no one is hurt. To ask that the police identify themselves upon entry and where my gun will be.
The 911 recordings can go both ways. Just ask George Zimmerman after he was instructed NOT to follow the suspect. I don't know if you guys have ever been in a real situation, but things are said that you might later wish you didn't say when heard in the cold light of day in a courtroom. My advise: call 911 after you've handled it. Then its your side of the story alone and no prior "spontaneous utterances" you may have made in the heat of the moment to contradict you. Just sayin'.
Will Beararms
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Use the one you're most comfortable and proficient with. Always have lights on in your house. Never leave your home pitch black dark. The bad person will blind YOU with their tactical light. Have a tactical light handy as well.
I don't see a correlation between Zimmerman on the street and someone barricaded in their bedroom.
There is always 2 lights on inside our house. A 40w in the kitchen that lights the kitchen, dining room and living room. The a 20w night light in the bathroom that also lights the hallway. Then there is a 60lb dog that alters very easily.
There is always 2 lights on inside our house. A 40w in the kitchen that lights the kitchen, dining room and living room. The a 20w night light in the bathroom that also lights the hallway. Then there is a 60lb dog that alters very easily.
Leaving house lights on is always a good idea.
My point with Zimmerman is that practically the entire affair was captured on a 911 recording. Much was made of his being instructed "a lawful order" not to follow the perp. And it was used mightily against him in court. So, his defense attorney had to travel down a side road to disabuse the jury of the fact that it was not a lawful order but something simply told to him by a 911 operator not trained in tactics or firearms and giving really no more than a suggestion. You're right, my analogy had nothing to do with the street viz. the bedroom. But it had everything to do with how a 911 recording can (and will!) be used against you.
My point with Zimmerman is that practically the entire affair was captured on a 911 recording. Much was made of his being instructed "a lawful order" not to follow the perp. And it was used mightily against him in court. So, his defense attorney had to travel down a side road to disabuse the jury of the fact that it was not a lawful order but something simply told to him by a 911 operator not trained in tactics or firearms and giving really no more than a suggestion. You're right, my analogy had nothing to do with the street viz. the bedroom. But it had everything to do with how a 911 recording can (and will!) be used against you.
My advise: call 911 after you've handled it. Then its your side of the story alone and no prior "spontaneous utterances" you may have made in the heat of the moment to contradict you. Just sayin'.
Assuming you're not an idiot and follow someone around your neighborhood, I disagree completely and any coursework I've ever done has said the same. Whether in a potential criminal trial or a civil suit to follow a recording of the events can help you. You're right that if you act stupidly it can work against you and I'm not going to sit here and say I'm perfect, but you don't have to be perfect. If you sound scared or yell something "obscene" on the phone it can be interpreted as you being in fear for your life and help your argument that lethal force was justified. It can also record commands you gave both asking who was in the house and for that person to leave the house as well as to drop any weapons (all of which paints a picture of an armed intruder in your home). Court cases are about shaping a narrative. From former police I've taken courses with the more you have for that narrative the better.
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Well, we agree to disagree. From my own cases I can tell you that the 911 recordings and video recordings are mostly used to inculpate the "victim."
No you're not stupid. And course work is all fine and good. But just ask yourself how many of our police officers today are finding themselves in trouble because despite training and stress, they may act in a manner video recorded and to be used against them. These recordings include dash-cams that police know are present and recording their stops. Yet time and again these recordings are used in efforts to condemn them.
Just from my own experience and training and investigative work I intend on handling my business first and then call 911. I'm not recommending that for you. This is my own perspective from now over 25 years in the business and also an instructor at the police academy if that gives me creds?
No you're not stupid. And course work is all fine and good. But just ask yourself how many of our police officers today are finding themselves in trouble because despite training and stress, they may act in a manner video recorded and to be used against them. These recordings include dash-cams that police know are present and recording their stops. Yet time and again these recordings are used in efforts to condemn them.
Just from my own experience and training and investigative work I intend on handling my business first and then call 911. I'm not recommending that for you. This is my own perspective from now over 25 years in the business and also an instructor at the police academy if that gives me creds?
Using George Zimmerman and officers that used deadly force in potentially hazy situations as evidence of your argument is, to me, a bit suspect. I don't agree with what Zimmerman did and while I don't think he was guilty of murder, I think he could have been found guilty on a lesser charge, but the DA overreached. What we see in the media most recently are private cell phone videos showing only small segments of what happened. The media uses this to sensationalize an event. Dashcam footage can crucify an officer and can also vindicate him/her. Unless you have a breakdown of the exact percentage of when it did which all we have, on my side too, are anecdotes.
I'd also point out I'm talking about defending yourself in your own home where the legalities of defense are often different and the chances of being recorded by passing strangers seem pretty small. I do think there's a difference between audio and video recording and remember I said audio. And yes a bad shoot is a bad shoot. If you're in the wrong you can likely end up in jail.
As for waiting til everything is over, you're betting on being on top and in good shape when it's all over. Train and trust to luck that you will be, but if not then having help already on the way isn't a bad idea. Maybe you'll be dead when they show up, or maybe you'll be bleeding after the fight and can still be saved. You're also banking on the other guy being dead and not having to dispute what he claims in court. For that matter as a guy with 25 years experience you know that "Johnny was a good boy" to someone, so a civil suit will come too. Having a recording where what I detailed above can be heard can potentially help you there as can having a record of calling the police as the event happened (even if you know they won't make it in time it's evidence of trying to get the "proper authorities" involved). But like you said, it's an individual choice.
I'd also point out I'm talking about defending yourself in your own home where the legalities of defense are often different and the chances of being recorded by passing strangers seem pretty small. I do think there's a difference between audio and video recording and remember I said audio. And yes a bad shoot is a bad shoot. If you're in the wrong you can likely end up in jail.
As for waiting til everything is over, you're betting on being on top and in good shape when it's all over. Train and trust to luck that you will be, but if not then having help already on the way isn't a bad idea. Maybe you'll be dead when they show up, or maybe you'll be bleeding after the fight and can still be saved. You're also banking on the other guy being dead and not having to dispute what he claims in court. For that matter as a guy with 25 years experience you know that "Johnny was a good boy" to someone, so a civil suit will come too. Having a recording where what I detailed above can be heard can potentially help you there as can having a record of calling the police as the event happened (even if you know they won't make it in time it's evidence of trying to get the "proper authorities" involved). But like you said, it's an individual choice.
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Will Beararms
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You need to have a lawyer if you own a firearm for self defense or have a license to carry. It's highly likely you will be sued in civil court if you shoot someone in your home or outside of your home even if you are deemed innocent and justified in criminal proceedings.
scottycoyote
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great thing about a dedicated bedside gun is things like "its too heavy for concealed carry, etc" fall by the wayside. I think either of the 2 guns you mentioned would be fine....i think the crimson trace makes for a better night time gun as well as the possibility of painting someone with the lazer might make them give up all by itsself, so i have to lean towards the 1911.
I personally prefer a handheld flashlight rather than one on my gun....i dont like the thought of having to point my gun at everything i want to see in a scary tense situation like someone breaking into my home.
I personally prefer a handheld flashlight rather than one on my gun....i dont like the thought of having to point my gun at everything i want to see in a scary tense situation like someone breaking into my home.