Which full size non-1911 .45 acp?!

Only one mention of the Ruger P90? And it wasnt a recommendation...? The Ruger P90 is an excellent 45 pistol. I also have a Ruger P97, and its a great one also. These pistols are in the $300-$350 range. Its hard to find a better deal on a 45 than that.
 
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Que SIG P220, preferably an older German gun. And, no matter which one you get, unless you have to have it, skip the rail.

One that isn't on your list that is worthy of consideration is the S&W 645.

What's so bad about the railed version? I only require a light/laser on my ccw and bedside which is my xds and soon to be glock 21
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I have no use for rails. Just a personal preference. I also like the lines of a classic non-railed SIG much better.
 
P220s are very nice shooters, so are Glock 21s, but the ultimate range .45 IMNSHO are the full size HKs. The USP .45 (tactical or plain) is a great gun, accurate and reliable in the extreme. The HK45 is slimmer and just as accurate, but the USP is softer shooting.
I had both, but am down to just the HK45C now, a great multi purpose gun, but for pure range fun the USP .45 is the way to go, plus the plain USP is less expensive than the others.
 
Thanks for the quick reply! I love the looks of the cz75 and that's great! Would I still have to deal with EAA's customer service? They're worthless from what I've read
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I would think so. I have not had a problem with mine. I actually got it on a trade and fell in love with it.

http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/k2-pistol/

Link to website. I did some research on them and did not find a bad review. Some people on here have spoke well of them as well.
 
Love it hate it: P250 gen 2.

I bought mine 1½years ago and hated it. 8 inch single groups and foot and a half double taps were what the first 50 rounds did at 25y. I thought I bought a lemon.

I have shot and carried many da/sa revolvers/autos through my escapades in the African bush and 20 rounds has me shooting decently through any weapon.

The next time I took it out was with 250 rounds and the intention of learning how to shoot this light weapon with an insanely long trigger pull one shot at a time starting from a bench. After three bench shots at 50 yrds and one hole one the target I was impressed with the weapon and disappointed with myself. The day went by and i was down to 6 inch singles and foot plus double taps. Not much progress. I bought the weapon to be my secondary and was still carrying my tz99(p226 clone), m&p, ridiculously large colt acp,glock 21 or even my 44mag on occasion into action.

I was becoming disheartened, so I dedicated all range time to it. 800 rounds later and I'm down to 1" grouping often leaving one oblong hole with single shots and 1½ on doubles.

These are my best results from any 45acp I have shot. All that time on one gun and I figured I'd better get used to my da/sa shots again, to my surprise, my groupings on all pistols had become ½inch smaller :-). I am a spotter by trade and what happened next floored me. My 800y groupings were 5 inches instead of my usual 8 inches that has run true for the past 15 years, how did this happen with no rifle practice in a month? After talking to others who took the time to learn the insanely long pull I found similar results.

One such character is convinced that Sig made the gun as a teaching tool or shooter refinement trainer, as am I.

I now use the weapon as my secondary as I intended because all da/sa autos seem to have the safety in a spot that engages it every time I try release the slide and chamber the first of my new mag, a drawback that has cost lives in low ammo situations.

PROS:

reliability and durability (ak47 standards)

Simplicity, easily strips to four components( disassembly, clear and reassembly is possible in under 3s blindfolded)

Modular, all forms of the weapon are interchangeable... Grip units are under $40 making it a great wearing gun

Night sights, extremely handy for a dark bedside table

Frame rail, easily slips on a light for transition from carry to home defense

No safety/hidden hammer, weapon is always ready

Large magazine receiver makes loading just a thought.

The grip is comfortable, comfortable = accurate. (In general, if a manufacturer offers grip fits its because the never got the shape rite to begin with eg s&w m&p, still love mine but that is the only reason I am less accurate with it.

CONS

trigger pull, which turns out to be a pro if you have the patients

Magazines are pricey. 35-$50. 10rd only, I have not found extended after much searching requiring me to carry 8-10

Sights are really only smith adjustable although none of us who carry the weapon have ever needed to adjust them

Ejected brass hits you on top of your head or lands in your shirt pocket for the first 500 rounds or so then seems to sort itself out

The magazine release protrudes quite far and in tight confines will be depressed when the gun is pushed or bumped against the hip causing a self release(easily rectified with some filing a a drop of epoxy build next to it.

It does not like cheap ammunition(tul ammo stovepipes regularly)



I now carry a p250 and p320 purely because I have to carry so many mags. I discard the 320 as soon as its empty and then use all mags through the 250 as I find it more accurate and it is way more reliable than anything else I've come across in an auto. Since we started with the 250 we have become slightly more effective, but the most notable stat is under low ammo situations our casualty rate is down 40%.

I would highly recommend it, especially if you have a few 45s already and are looking for something a little different, then go get a 320 as the mags are the same.
 
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I have had experience with the cz's, Barreta clone without reliability, the general rule of thumb is 1 out of 50 jams
 
CZ97 B, worked over by CGW. I hope to get the barrel bushing mod at some point.

I got lucky and found some Nill target grips on sale. Cut off the bottom to flush, they are wonderful.
 
You can pick up a Sar K2 at Buds Gun Shop. Clearance price is $402.00. One of the most overlooked bargains on the gun market today IMO. One HELL of a weapon and extremely well built. I don't have a clue why they haven't taken off. If I had the money I'd buy another just to have in case they discontinue them.
 
Price is what kept me out of it, before I got my 1911 I wanted a sig 220 SAO. The xdm 5.25 looks great as well but don't need those now that 1911 does it all for me.
 
I have owned a few on your list. The HK I had was nice, but it didn't sit well in my hand. Very accurate. Sold a Sig 220 to a buddy who was convinced that was his end all be all gun...he sold it back to me and bought a Glock.

The USP is a good pistol from my experience.

I really like the Glock 21 (including the SF). Fits my hand well, don't mind the size when carrying (and I mostly carry my 21). 13+1 and a spare mag seems to be enough when limited to a pistol.

Depends upon what you want it for too. The Glock and HK are my "go to" for times I expect to get dirty with the advantage to the Glock.
 
A Colt is something that I might get someday but the SAR K2 is the only .45 on my must have list. The K2 will most likely be my next purchase if I don't splurge on an M1a scout this year.
 
Humm... you mentioned that the Spartan has you covered for 1911's, but your list has a few other near-duplicates?

I'd add:
Glock 41
A Sig
A HK
The CZ97
The XDm 5.25
The FNX
And then I'd add a really nice 1911 such as the Dan Wesson Valor. The heirloom/jewel of the collection.
(Honestly, the Valor would fill in right after the G41 for me)
 
Only full size 45 I have that's not a 1911 is my P220 it's a old LE trade that ain't purdy it serves as my truck gun. Had a HK USP and a FN FNP just can't reach a DA trigger on fat double stack 45s
 
I had #14 (ruger sr45) and #15 eaa witness

Sr45 didn't fit my hand well (too slim) and was too light-framed

the eaa witness had poor serration design... Couldn't get a purchase on it... The slide... No matter what and the springs didn't seem to be appropriate for the caliber

So... I sold both

I ordered a taurus PT845 12+1 which arrived today... I'll clean it, shoot it and share a range report soon
 
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