When someone asks "what semi-auto rimfire pistol,,,?"

* Ruger SR22 is not a good option, they break after a few hundred rounds and are frustrating as hell for most shooters
* Walther P22 is basically the same pistol, so the same applies.
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Misinformation here.

The Ruger SR22 looks similar to the design of the Umarex P22, but that is where the similarity ends. They are completely different designs. Also, the P22 slide is constructed of cheap potmetal (Zamak), whereas the SR22's slide is made of aluminium alloy. Fit & finish are vastly better, and there are plenty of reports that the SR22 is durable and reliable, though I don't expect any of these pistols to last as long as a Mark I/II/III (the lifespans of these pistols are measured in generations).


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More misinformation (IMHO)

More misinformation (IMHO).

Bersas are a different pistol, but with pretty much the same issues, they turn into jam-o-matics and won't work after a few hundred rounds.
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I've owned and regularly shoot a Thunder 22 for 4-5 years now,,,
It's one of the pistols I use to introduce newbies to shooting.

If they break after 200 rounds,,,
Mine should have disintegrated about ten 550 round bulk packs ago.

Three people who I have taught to shoot have Bersa Thunder 22's,,,
Only one has ever had a problem with malfunctions,,,
I cleaned his gun and reversed the recoil spring,,,
He hasn't had a bit of trouble since then.

The reason Tyler (my current range buddy) doesn't want one of these,,,
Is because he just doesn't like the aesthetic looks of it,,,
He's a Millennium Kid and likes tactical.

Go figure. :confused:

Aarond

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Surely someone here owns a S&W M&P or M&P Compact.

Surely someone here owns a S&W M&P or M&P Compact.

I have some questions about these guns that you could help me with.

Aarond

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Kid needs a CALICO M110 ;) Or 100P (same thing, just earlier date/model number)
100 rds per mag mean HOURS of plinking fun...
If a gang of ten breaks in, apply up to ten rounds of Stingers to each would put a damper on 'em...
or make a good cover-fire pistol so you can get to a rifle ;)

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The P-22 can be a very good gun, but it is picky as all hell. Same can be said for the Sig Misquito, Browning 1911-22, and target guns like buckmarks and mk3. If you're running a clean relatively fast ammo and taking good care of your gun, you'll probably be happy with it.

The Ruger SR-22 is a similar gun to the Walther, but mostly just in ergonomics. It is common knowledge that many people (typically those with smaller hands) find the Walther just stupidly comfortable. Ruger took that selling trait and rolled with it, but eliminated the picky problem very well- they're developing a reputation for feeding just about anything from subsonic to hyper-velocity (though not recommended by mfg) like a champ. I don't think you can go wrong with that gun.

Also, anyone tried the baretta neos? Ugliest mofo of a gun I've ever seen and dang near impossible to take seriously but holy CRAP is that thing
accurate and comfortable. Just, like, don't let your friends see you with it.
 
Surely someone here owns a S&W M&P or M&P Compact.

I have some questions about these guns that you could help me with.

Aarond
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I have a M&P 22. I will try to answer your questions.
 
Not to get off topic, but I see a lot of negative comments about the P22. My brother and I have had ours for several years without any problems. By comparison, my other brother's SR22 has been back to Ruger twice. But then again, I've got a good Taurus too, so what do I know.
 
Back in 78 I bought my first pistol it was a Ruger mark semi auto with a bull barrel. It liked Rem. standard Vel. I purchased trigger honing stones from Brownell and went over the trigger carefully. Then I carved grips out of a 2x4 to contour my hand. I shot many a red squirrel with it. Then I shot in a league and took first place. Although when the word got out the pro's joined the league and I found out what lots of practice and the correct tooling can do. When you find a gun that you like don't sell it.
 
Has the young man in question considered just getting a 9mm? It may be different where you are, but where I am, the only 22 ammunition I can find is more expensive than the 9mm... and that's when I can find 22 at all.
 
He likes the duty style semi-auto pistols better than target style pistols or revolvers.
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I am curious as to the definition of a "duty style" pistol.

My definition of a "duty style pistol" with fixed sights & a 15-rd mag, but you can't buy it at your LGS:

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I am intrigued with the Browning 1911-22 7/8th scale pistol, but my fingers are way too long for it.
 
The P-22 can be a very good gun, but it is picky as all hell. Same can be said for the Sig Misquito, Browning 1911-22, and target guns like buckmarks and mk3
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In my experience, the Rugers (espeically Mark IIIs with their slightly enlarged feed ramps to better feed HP ammo) and Buck Marks are MUCH less picky about ammo than your typical potmetal guns (P22 or Mosquito), some of which pretty much require hi-velocity or Mini-Mag ammo to function at all.
 
The target guns are definitely not as picky about how greasy/ waxy ammo is, but they do typically require pretty high velocity ammo to cycle reliable every time. My MK2 will not get through a mag of standard velocity CCI or Norma Tac-22 without any issues. My 22/45 lite does okay until it gets even a little dirty, then it starts to have issues too unless I go up to pretty fast ammo. I've never had a Buckmark, but I have heard similar things about them.
 
Hello herdman,,,

I have a M&P 22. I will try to answer your questions.
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Thank you sir.

What do you like about the pistol?

What (if anything) do you not like about the pistol?

Can you chamber a round and then de-cock the pistol?

Thanks in advance.

Aarond

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CZ Kadet if you can find one. If not the 75B, and Kadet Kit. Well worth it, and he'll be able to switch to 9MM.
 
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I have a M&P 22. I will try to answer your questions.

Thank you sir.

What do you like about the pistol?

What (if anything) do you not like about the pistol?

Can you chamber a round and then de-cock the pistol?

Thanks in advance.

Aarond
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I like the way the M&P handles and it is a scaled down version of the full sized M&P. It is also very accurate and very reliable. I run cheap Thunderbolt ammo in it and that is no problem. It is just a reliable sweat shooting pistol.

I can't really find a fault in the pistol. I would like to change the sights and put some type of fiber optic sight. Perhaps the magazine safety, but to me that is not a big deal on this pistol.

No you can't load a round and decock the pistol(or I am not aware of a way). It is an internal hammer fired, no way to decock. The only way I can think of would be snap cap or spent casing. You do not want to dry fire.
 
Aarond... you dont mention a budget. There are rimfire pistols from Sig, the P220, P226 and P229. They also have a P938 in rimfire. The Duty Style rimfire pistols from Sig arent cheap, but they are what you are looking for.

If the budget is in the $3-400 range, take a look at the Mosquito. Buy a NEW one. The new Mosquito has a good reputation. I have a threaded Desert Digital Camo model, and its been perfectly reliable. It shoots well, has a good SA trigger, and I shoot it better than my SR22P.

Walther also makes the PPQ-22. Its not the P22
 
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Hiya Weblance, Pilot, and herdman,,,

Hey Weblance,,,
Yeah, I didn't mention a budget,,,
But you guessed it correctly at around $3-400.00.

Hello Pilot,,,
He absolutely loves my CZ Kadet,,,
But they don't market the Kadet as a standalone pistol anymore.

New Kadet conversion kits are running over $400.00,,,
With the base 75B pistol at just over $525.00,,,
That puts the gun way out of his reach.

Hey herdman,,,
Thanks for that good info,,,
I appreciate you helping me out.

Aarond

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