When justice fails

Capt. Charlie

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This is an older article (June, '05), and I am NOT advocating vigilante justice, but I am curious as to what you think, had this been your own daughter.
London: Taking the law in her own hands, a Spanish mother set afire a man who raped her teenaged daughter and allegedly taunted her about the assault, a report here said today.

The rapist Antonio Cosme Velasco Soriano, who later succumbed to injuries, had been sent to jail for nine years in 1998, but was let out on a three-day pass and returned to his home town of Benejuzar, 50 km south of Alicante, on the Costa Blanca.

While there, he passed his victim's mother in the street and allegedly taunted her about the attack. He is said to have called out: "How's your daughter?" before heading into a crowded bar, The Sunday Telegraph reported today.

Shortly after, the woman walked into the bar, poured a bottle of petrol over Soriano and lit a match. She watched as the flames engulfed him, before walking out.

The woman fled to Alicante, where she was arrested the same evening. When she appeared in court the next day in the town of Orihuela, she was cheered and clapped by a crowd, who shouted "Bravo!" and "Well done!" the newspaper reported.

A judge ordered her to be held in prison and undergo psychiatric tests, provoking anger from friends and neighbours, who have set up a petition calling for her release.

Soriano suffered 60 per cent burns in the attack on June 13 and later succumbed to injuries
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My opinion:

Please delete this post as the only thing it does is advocate breaking the law. Thus it serves no social benefit.
 
7 years into a 9 year sentence. While I may have wanted a longer sentence, it isn't like this guy got off scott free. It seems there already was justice, and he was tortured to death for the new crime of being an unapologetic ass.


For those of you supporting it, would it have been wrong if he said nothing? How about if it was 10 years from now?
 
Please delete this post as the only thing it does is advocate breaking the law. Thus it serves no social benefit.
No sir, it does not. It is so easy to sit back and say this is right, or that's illegal, when we're not personally involved. No tough decisions. This particular article caught my interest because it is so emotionally charged. This post is intended to throw a little of that emotion your way, and to consider just how difficult it is sometimes, to do the right thing.
 
"It seems there already was justice, and he was tortured to death for the new crime of being an unapologetic ass."

How much justice can there have been if he was unapologetic enough to taunt the girl's mother? If he had apologised instead, I'd have halfway thought that the system was working. And anyway, what's this BS about three-day passes for violent sex criminals?

Tim
 
he was tortured to death for the new crime of being an unapologetic ass.
No, he died because he was an idiot. Get a pass out of prison, return to the scene of the crime and taunt your victim's mother. Good idea. I'll bet no one saw what happened next coming. :rolleyes:

While I can't condone the woman for what she did, and she did put others at risk (by setting him on fire in the bar), I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for Mr. Soriano. He pretty much got what he deserved, although it wasn't her place to give it to him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...pe26.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/06/26/ixworld.html
 
Well, I didn't think this thread was about relative sympathy levels. I think sympathy and justice are often enemies.
 
Give her probation.

Any "criminal justice system" that lets violent, unrepentant sex offenders have the luxury of three day passes during which they can go drinking at bars should surely find sympathy for a woman whose daughter was raped!

Who believes that she's a continuing threat to society?

Who believes HE would have been?


(my answers:
- Not me
- Me)

-blackmind
 
The fellow harrased the Mom about it. Did this contribute to a state of mind that led to a crime of passion? Im not going to say the Mom should get off free for what she did and she was wrong in doing it. The law should take into consideration mitigating factors in the attack.
 
the mitigating circumstances go towards intent and mental state at the time of the crime not towards emotional state. The question would be did the harrasment drive her to the point mentally where she didnt know the difference between right and wrong when she attacked the guy????????????
 
This post is intended to throw a little of that emotion your way, and to consider just how difficult it is sometimes, to do the right thing.
What IS the right thing? Once again, I find myself agreeing with Mr. Blackmind.
 
I would hate to think of what I might do had it of been my daughter. I have thought about it, and I worry about if it haapens. I would probably be inclined to do the same thing, and then turn myself in.
 
A few years ago there was a murder. The victim was beaten naked, driven over with a pick-up truck and violated. She was left bleeding and in shock to die alone in her driveway. The two killers were snitched out. Her family really wanted five minutes with her killers. If it had been my decision, I would have given the family the keys, the baseball bats and rung the bell for round one. I retired soon after, I had no objectivity.
 
To paraphrase Nietzsche, those who pursue monsters need to take care that they do not become monsters: When you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you
 
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