"No, I understand what you are saying..... completely. Just don't understand where you draw the line. My line is the door of the store. Your line is no where until the gun owner definitely say's "NO"."
No, my line is STRICTLY for other customers in the store overhearing the conversation that was made possible by the store provided by the finances of the store owner. Those customers got the advantage of hearing the gun store's offer, they got the advantage of having a gun store to stand in where people bring in guns, and they get the advantage of competing with a dealer who needs to make money on the gun. None of this they paid for. They are taking advantage of a situation they did not pay for.
"But does that work the other way? What if someone wanted to buy a gun from the same store, and was unsure they were getting the best deal. Should the the gun shop owner take the gun off the shelf and not sell it to anyone else until and unless on that 30% chance, the customer comes back in and says "I'll take it."?
No, absolutely not. This comparison is not at all the same representation. The customer asking the gun store to put the gun on "hold" is not paying the bills in the store. That is why typically a gun store will allow the customer to "pay for" the opportunity to hold the gun by putting down a deposit to do so. In this case, the customer is paying for the ability to hold the gun, just like the gun store is paying for the ability to not have other customers step in on their used firearms deals.
"If the gun owner say's "No", than is it okay for someone else to start bargaining with them inside the store?"
I have answered this very clearly in two other posts. YES absolutely, if the customer says: "No, no deal at all" then anyone is free to step in, of course, even inside the store. I have no problem with that. If there is 0% chance the store and customer will make a deal, then their odds are not affected by someone else stepping in.
"Seems you want the line to be variable and to work in the favor of the store owner, where I like to see my lines defined as to what and when is proper."
Again, I have defined exactly when and where is proper. It is proper for anyone to make an offer at any time, so long as they were not made aware of the firearm due to the efforts of the gun store (IE, the gun store paying rent and running a facility). One exception being (as stated above 3 times) if the customer says "No" to the offer, then its fair game even in the store. If someone is in a gun store and a seller says "let me go home and think about it and get back with you" in my opinion, it is not ethically right for another customer in the store to chase them out the door. If they plainly "no" however, then others are free to do what they like. Outside the store in the rest of the world - has no bearing on me. People can do as they like.
I agree, the store owner pays the rent and it's his building and his business, but the street belongs to us all. Just like that car salesman, he knows, the minute the customer walks away and hits the street, all bets are off. Expecting the gun owner to not take any other offers until he returns at some point in the future and tells the owner " Definitely No" is pretty shorthsighted."
Again, completely missing what I am saying. I never said they can't go out into the world and accept other offers. I said plainly the opposite actually. Again, its not a question of what the seller does. If some guy is hanging out on the car lot and a seller brings in a car, and the other guy listens in on the conversation, hears the offer, and then the seller says "ill think about it", now the other customer is armed with information: He knows the car and seller exists, he knows what the seller is likely looking to get out of it. He has info on a seller who is looking for quick turnaround and is obviously okay with losing money to sell it fast. He also knows the dealer's offer. Armed with ALL of that, he can go and effectively try and purchase the car from the seller.. All of those are HUGE advantages and he will likely get the car from the dealership (which means now the dealerships' chances are 0) and he would have NEVER had ANY of those advantages if it werent for the dealership being there and paid for.
"One needs to realize, that once the gun owner walks out the door, his answer is "No"
No, his answer is what he says: If he says No, then its No. If he says: "I'll think about it" then he is thinking about it.
I think we will have to agree to disagree. But I appreciate you chatting with me on this. Great to have a different persepctive