When do you decide it's time

Pfffffft.
Always with the "no safe queens" like you guys are somehow better because of it.

Fact is, there are good reasons for safe queens. Don't have to be your reasons, and you don't have to have them.

I have two safe queens. Guns from both my Grandfathers. One of them is a long gun, so I won't talk about that one in this forum. The other one is a nickeled Mod of 1905 Hand Ejector Military & Police, .38 Special, 6-inch barrel. The nickel plating wants to wear off when you clean the powder residue from it. This revolver is part of my family history and thus, it's part of who I am. I've shot it many times... and it's almost 90 years old now.

It deserves to relax in the safe and avoid the range. Anyone else in my family wishes to shoot Grandpa's revolver? They can come visit me and we'll dust her off and take it to the range. In the mean time, it'll sit, enjoying a well-earned retirement -- regardless of what a bunch of other folks think a handgun ought to be doing.
 
I have no problem with safe queens, a collectible firearm is like a coin, a painting, etc., just owning it is quite satisfying. I know a lady who collects sewing machines. One man I know collects old cameras-some of which you can't find film for anymore. My SIL's late father had quite a collection of old TVs.
 
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The same day I buy it. I found that a new gun depreciates about 30 to 40 percent as it goes out the door. Have a two year old S&W 617 that cost $665, went to trade it in at Cabella's and was offered $375. I'll keep it rather than give it away. My engraved Diamondback (tuned at the factory) is used every week during the summer. That is what is was made for, otherwise I'd donate it to a museum..
 
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I have guns that I am very fond of, but they aren't safe queens. I regret it, but I passed up a WWII 1911 because I was afraid to shoot it. I mean really, what's the point of owning a gun if you can't fire it?
 
Shooting a shooter is different than shooting something rare or valuable

I have no problem with safe queens, a collectible firearm is like a coin, a painting, etc., just owning it is quite satisfying. I know a lady who collects sewing machines. One man I know collects old cameras-some of which you can't find film for anymore. My SIL's late father had quite a collection of old TVs.

I agree 100%. I have enough shooters, I'm out for the collector pieces now. I always get a laugh out of these threads. The shooter guy IMO just doesn't usually have a reason to have a safe queen. For example, the people that say "I shoot my glock, taurus, Ruger etc every day, no safe queens" well no crap. What if you lucked into a real collectible? Would you really sell it just because it was valuable or it wasn't you? Would you shoot the snot out of it if it was worth more than 5 of your other guns? Really? Do you even have this choice to make? I do, and I have dedicated safe queens, with shooters and some that are seldom used, but used nonetheless.

So what if you got a 1913 Dutch DWM luger, all original with holster for $700, you would shoot the snot out of it? The firing pin matches, you would risk breaking it? So you would sell it rather than shoot it? But its your best gun, and you don't need the money. Choices choices choices. For some guns, its a much more obvious decision than others.

Here is a pic of my 2 lugers, the 6 in gun is a DWM 1917 dated Navy luger, all matching except for mag. The 4 in luger is a DWM Dutch contract. These are both hard to find. I won't post values, but go research them. Go see what Simpsons Ltd wants for either, and tell me you would shoot it a lot.

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How about this, a pre 29 44 magnum (top) that was once again a deal, or shoot the 29-2. They are the same blind folded, but very different as far as rarity / collectibility and even value.

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I have these early S&Ws, all pre 1870. I call myself a S&W nut, so I wanted to know and own some of their company history. These 3 are all 22 black powder short. Any smokeless 22 will ruin the gun. You wouldn't buy them if you loved the company and their products? You would go track down 22 short black powder ammo? You would trade them? What would you do? Me, I let them hang out with all the other ones.

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This Nambu is matching down to the grips and firing pin, and clean. The round, 8mm nambu, isn't even made anymore. The gun is poorly designed, and would not be very accurate. So you'd shoot the snot out of it? I doubt it. You wouldn't buy it? Perhaps, but what if it was a deal, say $200. You wouldn't buy it because its not a good idea for shooting? Really? I don't "buy" that.

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And finally, a Colt Diamondback in 22lr. Some think this is one of the best 22 revolvers ever made. Not I, I say a K-22 is much better, I also prefer the Colt OMM and the S&W 22 kit gun to a Diamondback. Heck, I'd rather shoot a 22 semi. Why? Well no reason other than the trigger is heavy, the grips aren't shaped the best, and the sights aren't too great and yet the gun is hailed by many, but falls short of the rep. Did I get a bad one, I don't think so. I think many people just repeat what Uncle Bob says is the best. IMO, the Diamondback is over rated but as a collectible? Its one of the more sought after Colts. Mine is like new in the box, but fired. Why should I take a chance? I got it for a great price, but also from my great uncle, and he bought it new. I want to preserve it for sentimental reasons, and I didn't enjoy shooting it when I did. So I had to buy it, but don't care to shoot it. Am I crazy? Maybe I am, but I have other options at 22 and so shooting it doesn't even cross my mind. I like having it in its condition more than shooting it. It even has the "join the NRA, or your rights will be taken!" mail in card. The gun is from the late 70s.

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The point here is that the choice isn't as obvious as people will have you believe, and most people who have to shoot their guns don't own anything to where preserving it makes sense. They instead have guns that they bought for shooting primarily, instead of other reasons. Shooting some Glock is different than one of my lugers, and if you had a gun like a good luger, you the "have to shoot them all" people would think differently.

We're not all the same, and we don't have to be. No matter what anyone says, I have and will continue to have a bunch of safe queens, who sit there with shooters and some which others are a lil of both. I honestly see no other way, but then again I hardcore invest in guns, and have been rewarded many times for doing so. Many other people don't invest, and don't care and that's ok with me, but understand that there's another school of thought with a ton of merit itself.

Thanks for reading.
 
I don't own any safe queens, closest thing I own is my father's WWII Walther PP. He made no bones about carrying it or shooting it so I figure I can drag it to the range a couple times a year. There are several guns that I would like to own that would probably become safe queens just for the joy of owning something unique. That being said, unless I bought them in unfired condition, I'd have to shoot them at least once. Now all I need is an unlimited budget and a really big safe and I can start acquiring my own safe queens.

Stu
 
Guns don't strike me as having much 'investment' value. I'm certainly not going to spend a lot of money on one to box up and lock away. That would be like buying the wife an expensive piece of jewelry and telling her she should never wear it.

There's no expensive jewelry at my house (not because I didn't offer, believe me) and no firearms that I'm not willing to take out and shoot.

When one can buy and a short time later (yr or three) be able to sell and add $100, $300, $1000 or even double your investment, I'd say that's much better than any stock market risk. Not that I have or plan on it right away but if the time was right and necessary... Go buy that jewelry use it and see how much of a profit is made. ;) Unlike with jewelry, use does reduce value with firearms.
 
I have a few.I also have various nickel revolvers,that look to good to shoot.I have plenty of them so it does not bother me.
 
you the "have to shoot them all" people would think differently

Didn't say there were no reasons for safe queens, just I don't have any (and don't plan to). To me if you're not going to shoot it some time, then why bother having it? It's like the guy that buys the car and never drives it. cars are meant to be driven. if you're not going to drive it, why buy it? So that when you pass some other guy will get this great car with 17 miles on it and get all the joys of driving it that were entitled to you but you passed on them??? I know there are antiques and collectibles that people want to preserve but I'm not really an antiquey sort of guy so nope, no safe queens for me and it's not because my safe is full of Glocks & Taurus. :cool:
 
...And if you were gifted a family relic, could you not see the possibility of you altering your tune, just a little bit? Or if you fell in to a steal of a purchase for a VERY valuable and unfired handgun -- would you buy it and shoot it, knock hundreds (or more) off it's value before you sold it? Or would you simply walk away from a colossal steal at that price simply because you refused to own something you couldn't shoot?

Is it so important to build arbitrary "rules" for yourself based on preconceived notions that don't take in to account all the possible realities in life?
 
Funny how you mention glocks. My 19OD and 23OD doubled in value in less than a year. I shoot all my guns and allow my friends to shoot them. Its always nice to strike a nice conversation and get folks new into guns excited about the hobby. Most of my collection is rare and collectible

The only ones that become safe queens are the ones I'm afraid of shooting but it's still kinda cool to collect.
 
...And if you were gifted a family relic, could you not see the possibility of you altering your tune, just a little bit? Or if you fell in to a steal of a purchase for a VERY valuable and unfired handgun -- would you buy it and shoot it, knock hundreds (or more) off it's value before you sold it
I probably wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of shooting it unless it were one of a kind or had some historical provenance. How many times in life will you get the chance to fire some of those rare guns. I wouldn't shoot it a lot, but given my nature I'd have to do it at least once. But then again I have absolutely no intention of ever selling any of my guns, I've done it in the past and ended up regretting almost every sale. My guns will eventually go to my boys not for their value but because I want to leave them something that they enjoy. I'm sure there's a bunch of collectors on here that just cringed at the thought of me shooting an unfired Colt 1st gen SAA or Rare Luger, but I'm a shooter first and collector second.

Stu
 
I'm sure there's a bunch of collectors on here that just cringed at the thought of me shooting an unfired Colt 1st gen SAA or Rare Luger, but I'm a shooter first and collector second.

Well I won't cringe because I doubt the SAA was unfired and most people think their luger is special, when its actually not. No offense, but perhaps the guns weren't what you thought they were. An unfired 1st generation SAA is at least about 70 yrs old, to about 140 yrs old. How would you verify it was unfired?

Even so, few people fire either gun type. Each model you mentioned is its own science, IE often times SAA's have parts from later guns, and a lot of lugers are faked too. They both can be pretty confusing in all honesty.

My specific luger problem (with my Dutch) is that the firing pin serializes to the gun, and so it would be somhwhat stupid to take the chance. If I had to, I could buy a lesser luger to shoot, because they all work the same.
 
had one for awhile. kimber grand raptor 2. i got it because it was gorgeous. i sold it because it sucked. i have a colt defender that sits in my safe too. maybe it's just me, but i hate to shoot 1911's.
 
Don't know if there are any others out there like me, but I find that as I've gotten older, the number of safe queens in my posession has dwindled. There's something about the realization that one day I might die having never enjoyed using them that makes me want to go out and shoot my firearms as often as time permits. In other words, time is running out...

Still hoping for many good years, but once you hit 55 or so, you start thinking abit differently. :) Good thing I'm confidant of where I'm going, but as far as I know I won't be able to take my firearms with me!
 
I don't have any guns I won't shoot. I do have guns I don't shoot. I suppose they're "safe queens."

Why? I don't know. I never really think about it.
 
CajunBass

I don't have any guns I won't shoot. I do have guns I don't shoot. I suppose they're "safe queens."

Why? I don't know. I never really think about it.

That's interesting--Just out of curiosity, why not shoot some of them? Ammo costs, lack of interests etc.? Always interesting how everyone is different relative to the OP subject.

-Cheers
 
I mentioned this in my post, but I don't shoot my one handgun safe queen because I've found that cleaning all the powder residue off of it isn't at all kind to the worn factory nickel plating. I picked up a very similar '82 Model 10 four inch (it also happens to be nickel plated, but that was just happenstance) and I tend to shoot it instead.

I had one other handgun safe queen that I never shot -- I got a screaming deal on it and it was an expensive handgun but it had never been fired outside of the factory. Wanting to use that as a selling point, I elected to not to shoot it and I held it for a number of months before I decided to move it along.

I wish that I had gotten a chance to shoot it, but I have no regrets.
 
That's interesting--Just out of curiosity, why not shoot some of them? Ammo costs, lack of interests etc.? Always interesting how everyone is different relative to the OP subject.

-Cheers

I don't need to shoot them to enjoy them.
 
I'll just let the collectors buy collectibles and enjoy looking at them. I'll buy clones and enjoy shooting them. I don't have safe queens and probable never will, but I see no reason to ruin the value of a rare unfired gun when you can sell it to a very happy collector and buy 2-3 guns to shoot.
 
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