armsmaster270
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I like the setting off the car alarm with the key fob I think I'll add that one to my list.
Whats your home defense plan?
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I wasn't claiming that they would be returning to my home. I was referring to the likelihood that he/they would move on to a neighbor's home which might be an easier target.
Seeing how you are using your line-by-line back and forth, its obvious to me that you're in typical form. You have your strategy all planned out..and I have mine.
Tennessee Gentleman
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David Armstrong said:
Nonsense, gambling equates to recklessness and nobody does that every day. Also exposing your location to a possible armed intruder does not seem to very smart.
However, this seems to go along with the "always comply" credo espoused by some even when one has the advantage on a dangerous criminal.
David Armstrong
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Hmmm. Let's see now. The question was "What can be solved by shooting them that cannot be solved by getting them to leave the home?", to which you responded "They do it once, they will likely do it again." But now instead of doing it again, you are now saying you were talking about them invading somebody else's house. So instead of them doing it again, you actually meant them doing something different. I see. Nice try.
Yes, I find the line-by-line analysis and response to be clearer and more direct. That way folks can't get away with making things up, dodging issues, and so on. Makes it real clear.
freakintoguns
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as i understood creature's (i think) statemnet: "they will do it again." he meant they will contuine to do home invasions. crime much like everything else, is a game of odds. as the number of gun owners has dwindled and the number of drug users has increased, so has the number of home invasion style robberies. will they return to your home? probably not, will they return to a neighbors home? probably.
I like creatures strategy better.
Tenn Gentleman- I agree its not a gamble its about protecting ones' family. Some people here will never get that, they just like to stir up trouble. I hope their gamble of talking their way out of a bad situation pays off for them and their familys' sake.
Tenn Gentleman- I agree its not a gamble its about protecting ones' family. Some people here will never get that, they just like to stir up trouble. I hope their gamble of talking their way out of a bad situation pays off for them and their familys' sake.
Home defense plan
I've read a couple great new ideas, one being the key fob for car alarms. I had not thought of that but now keep both on night stand for the truck parked outside and the car in garage. To get back to the original question of this thread:
Big old weimaraner, who now thinks my 2 year old grandson is his master, goes to door and barks.....loudly before door knocks because the motion detector flood lights on the driveway and corner facing front door, covering the rear door and garage door have come on and chimed...
Hearing dog barking and noting the time, I flip switch, next to night stand to turn on all outside floodlights which light up every outside wall of my home as well as a goodly area of yard...
I click on intercom and make inquiry...not satisfied with answers, I dial 911.
If intruder leaves, I'll make report with LE that show up. IF intruder mistakenly decides to pursue unlawful interest, I would then push the panic button on my security system, which sounds a siren inside and out and has flashing red lights mounted to the soffit. I hate testing this thing because it drives the dog nuts and he knows I was the one that caused it...
If all of the above doesn't dissuade the visitor, then I grab the old 870 Remington loaded with #6 birdshot twice and then 00 buck and wait.
I've read a couple great new ideas, one being the key fob for car alarms. I had not thought of that but now keep both on night stand for the truck parked outside and the car in garage. To get back to the original question of this thread:
Big old weimaraner, who now thinks my 2 year old grandson is his master, goes to door and barks.....loudly before door knocks because the motion detector flood lights on the driveway and corner facing front door, covering the rear door and garage door have come on and chimed...
Hearing dog barking and noting the time, I flip switch, next to night stand to turn on all outside floodlights which light up every outside wall of my home as well as a goodly area of yard...
I click on intercom and make inquiry...not satisfied with answers, I dial 911.
If intruder leaves, I'll make report with LE that show up. IF intruder mistakenly decides to pursue unlawful interest, I would then push the panic button on my security system, which sounds a siren inside and out and has flashing red lights mounted to the soffit. I hate testing this thing because it drives the dog nuts and he knows I was the one that caused it...
If all of the above doesn't dissuade the visitor, then I grab the old 870 Remington loaded with #6 birdshot twice and then 00 buck and wait.
I have no intention of "complying" with doodly-squat.
Some salient points that I have determined apply to me, however.
1) I am not a ninja, nor do I leap out of helicopters with a knife in my teeth for a living. I have, however, read enough Sooper-Tactical literature to know that the defender has the advantage. Plus I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
2) I do not have anything in this house more valuable than my butt, and so I'm keeping it where it has the least chance of getting shot off.
3) I'm not worried about "giving away my position", because talking to the 911 operator on the telephone is going to do that. I will be explaining in a loud, clear tone the following things: That I have an intruder in my home. That I am armed. That I am in fear for my life. I will keep that phone line open until the cavalry arrives. Unless I then say or do something monumentally boneheaded, that 911 tape will be good evidence, especially if I do wind up having to spark the guy.
4) If he advances into the bedroom through the closed door in the face of all that, he's obviously not there to swap cookie recipes, and I will respond accordingly.
5) I am not going to go and play hide-and-go-seek through the darkened house with what may just be a cat burgler, or may be Jack the Ripper.
6) If he splits, I win.
Y'all's circumstances may dictate different responses.
Some salient points that I have determined apply to me, however.
1) I am not a ninja, nor do I leap out of helicopters with a knife in my teeth for a living. I have, however, read enough Sooper-Tactical literature to know that the defender has the advantage. Plus I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
2) I do not have anything in this house more valuable than my butt, and so I'm keeping it where it has the least chance of getting shot off.
3) I'm not worried about "giving away my position", because talking to the 911 operator on the telephone is going to do that. I will be explaining in a loud, clear tone the following things: That I have an intruder in my home. That I am armed. That I am in fear for my life. I will keep that phone line open until the cavalry arrives. Unless I then say or do something monumentally boneheaded, that 911 tape will be good evidence, especially if I do wind up having to spark the guy.
4) If he advances into the bedroom through the closed door in the face of all that, he's obviously not there to swap cookie recipes, and I will respond accordingly.
5) I am not going to go and play hide-and-go-seek through the darkened house with what may just be a cat burgler, or may be Jack the Ripper.
6) If he splits, I win.
Y'all's circumstances may dictate different responses.
Tennessee Gentleman
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Tamara said:
Tamara, neither would I, if in a good defensible place in my house with loved ones safe and my gun ready. However, David is I think oversimplifying the issue by saying we should just "holler" at them to make them go away.
Some on here are big believers in complying with BGs. I differ.
I have a p89 ready to go beside the bed, my sub 2k lays out at night on my dresser, beside the LED 120L flashlight. We have two mini-wieners that don't sleep all that well it would seem. They may be worthless a attack dogs but they do a much better job than the cat at letting us know something is going on they don't like. I'm thinking of replacing the sub2k with a 12g saiga when I can afford one.
I am with Creature. I'd rather not assume my hollering is going to scare away a BG. I'll assume the worst: BG here to kill me, wife and dog. Plan for best:BG runs away, cops catch him 20 mins later with no futher incidents. Let me clarify I'll not be going to fing BG. He has the advantage so I'm diggin' in and waiting to see my tax money in action with those boys in blue. If I see anyone who is not a friend or emergency personel, BANG BANG goes the shotgun. No questions, you are in my house, you are here to kill me and thank goodness for Make My Day Law.
Minus one scum of the Earth.
Though I'll feel bad for taking a life.
Minus one scum of the Earth.
Though I'll feel bad for taking a life.
Right now we are in a tiny 1 bedroom apt with concrete walls - one door into the bedroom with a 1942 mosin nagant with a bayonet next to the bed (unloaded) and a .380 with hollow points in it. We live in what I consider to be a very secure apartment setup - the building is a square, the only way in is on the ground floor, and the doors require a key/loudly breaking glass. Our city, however, is one of the least safe cities in my state and, as I live around a college, lots of people from said crime-ridden city like to break in to take advantage of rich college kids' stuff. My wife is hot, and I'm not letting anything happen to her. However, they can take the TV from the living room for all I care, but I'm not coming after them.
Tucker 1371
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Well since I'm a freshman in college and I live in a communist apartment complex that wouln't let me have my guns, my current plan is to grab my KaBar and be very fast.
BuckHammer
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I'll probably call the police, then sit at the top of my steps (in order to guard bedrooms, not looking for trouble), and wait for police to arrive. I like the car alarm trick, I would do that if I would remember, but there's no telling now, since I'm in a relaxed situation right now, and a home invasion isn't my idea of a relaxed situation. I'd much rather have the police put their lives on the line clearing my farm then me or a member of my family, since we don't get paid for that kind of thing. Also, at the top of my steps, I can hide a significant portion of my body behind a doorway right there.
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Years back, my apartment complex put a "no guns" article in their newsletter. Suddenly, several notices appeared on the mailbox bulletin boards: "Attention thieves: This apartment complex does not permit tenants to keep firearms in their apartments. Do you feel as safe as we do?"
The complex took down the signs and retracted its policy.
Rifleman 173
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Engage the bad guys until I am satisfied that none of them are a threat any more to me or my family. Simple as that. Mozambique them until I'm happy and safe.
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Tennessee Gentleman said:
TG, I'm sort of mystified by this. I haven't noticed anyone advocating compliance, unless you're referring to those of us who'll be holed up in the bedroom, willing to concede the laptop and the silverware rather than start shooting. If I have to shoot in a home defense situation, I'll be shooting to stop a threat to my person, and I will shoot until the threat ends. I'm not going to try to "apprehend" anyone or to "persuade" them to leave by pointing a gun at them. If I'm in my home and things have reached the "point the gun" stage, I expect to be using the gun. That said, I do not ever want to take a life over money or possessions -- mine or anyone else's. So, in the situation that's been raised -- pounding on/breaking down my door -- I will be upstairs, where I can best defend myself, making a lot of noise on the phone to the police, and to quote Tamara, "If he splits, I win."
What David Armstrong originally wrote was this:
Seems pretty reasonable to me. As I said in my first post, I'd hope the dog would bark in response to the pounding -- and I'm 99% sure she would -- but I'll be on the phone to the police before I start yelling at intruders myself. I think all David started out to say was that he's not gonna start shooting just because someone is banging on his door. Works for me, too.
Tennessee Gentleman
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Vanya,
I will PM you.
I will PM you.
David Armstrong
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But the there are choices in how to do that, and each choice is a gamble. Those who don't understand that, or try to deny it, probably don't understand the dynamics of gunfights, IMO. If you choose Option 1, there are certain things that can happen. You gamble which ones. If you choose Option 2, there are certain things that can happen. You gamble which ones. One can modify what the gamble may be, and one can impact the odds of the gamble, but it will always be a gamble.
If it does, great. But if it doesn't, then you can move on to the next gamble. That is the beauty of trying the easy way first. You can always ratchet things up as needed. Once you start shooting it is hard to take the bullets back.
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