Whats your home defense plan?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Maybe if one lives in the Adams or Munster House, you can silently navigate through the shadows and or creaks.

I find it very hard to imagine that the homeowner on the move is at any advantage against a determined attacker who can take reasonable cover or concealment in the dark in your house.

I know my house well and I would be at a tremendous disadvantage trying to move through it against anyone with a modicum of thought.

The only reason to go to the attackers is if you have to save the loved ones.

The scenario is predicted on dedicated attackers that wouldn't flee from a warning. I think they could take you with a little bit of common sense and concealment.

I've been reading about the street battles in retaking Manila from the Japanese. There is a reason the US forces threw in grenades and satchel charges. Moving into a position where the opponent was hunkered down was usually bad.

 

[Creature]

You don't have to like the message, or the messenger. But if you don't know what you're talking about, listening is always an option. Or getting out there & trying it for yourself.

That's sounds to me a lot like you're saying I dont know what I am talking about.

Well, you would be wrong there. I have been to various professional training facilities on the east coast where we tested out all sorts of calibers and weapons on various building constructions.

Included in one of the sessions were tests inside a breeze block and lumber/sheet rock construction building where common household objects were placed: dressers, mattresses, a refrigerator and other appliances....and a 5ft tall bookcase full of magazines, newspapers and books. It was as complete a "load out" as we were willing to clean up. This also included various type of calibers and weapons against fully equipped vehicles drained of fluids.

The dressers were no match to either the 223 or the 9mm...but then again, we didnt cram them full of clothing. But based on my observations, I would be wearing a new set of socks and underwear everyday for a year to make a difference. As for the book cases full of books, the books in the spot that we specifically aimed multiple shots at didnt last more than a few rounds before they became so disturbed that a few more shots was all it took to penetrate through and through and the wall behind it.

Oh, and BTW, I was paid to attend this training.

 

[pax]

As for the book cases full of books, the books in the spot that we specifically aimed multiple shots at ...

Creature ~

Okay.

Now slow it down a little bit. How many shots into exactly the same aimpoint would it take to defeat a "bullet proof" vest?

And did your tests show that someone behind a full bookcase might be just a tiny, itsy-bitsy bit, safer than someone behind a bare sheetrock wall?

What I'm getting at is that there's no cover in the world that doesn't degrade when bullets start flying, or that will stand up to multiple repeated hits in the exact same spot. And that someone who has set up a place in their home with a bookcase or a fully loaded dresser is going to be miles safer than someone who relies on flimsy sheetrock alone.

pax

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

After discussion, we think that we have expressed our points of view with vim and vigour. Continued discussion really isn't adding anything at this point.

Thank you for contributions.

Glenn