What's the NRA doing for CCW?

[mvpel]

Concealed carry might indeed be militarily insignificant, and thus not a 2nd Amendment concern.
Open carry on the other hand would have military connections, so why can't US citizens carry openly everywhere in the US?

"It's not 'tactical'..."

"It makes you a target for criminals..."

... blah blah blah ...

 

[TimRB]

"... blah blah blah ..."

Exactly. The reason we don't have open carry everywhere is that anti-gunners find it very, very scary. They simply cannot and will not give up the notion that more guns equals more crime, no matter how many times it's shown to be false.

Tim

 

[Rebar]

Don't introduce distractions and red herrings

You made the statement, address to me even, that without the gun issue republicans would be in trouble. I mearly refuted that statement. If it be a red herring, then it's you who smells of fish.

Good thing I wouldn't want to live in such a place

Yet you felt that I should got to Iran of all places.

I just don't favor using public resources to cram YOUR beliefs down MY throat.

And no one but you seems to think this is happening.

party matters but not nearly as much as you're insinuating

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Party affiliation is a decisive factor in politics, anyone who knows how the system really works understands that.

we have so many Republicans who are weak on the gun issue

Better a weak republican who adds to the majority of the pro-gun republican party, then a supposedly strong pro-gun democrat adding to the majority to the anti-RKBA democratic party.

you know, people like you who are deluded enough into thinking they're being persecuted because Pat Robertson said so

LOL, you know me so well. Or not, I'm not particulary religious, plus I was raised catholic and think Robertson is a loon. But you don't have to be religious, or even christian, to understand the judeo-christian roots of western civilization in general, and American civilization in particular.

Since the liberal/left wants us all to worship the state, rather than a religion, they feel the need to denigrate and tear down anything that takes people's focus off their agenda. It's you who are living in a paranoid delusion that the boogie-man "bible thumper" is going to force you to do anything. American has been a christian nation for 200 years, and now all of a sudden it's going to become a "theocracy"? You need to stop reading that DU/Moveon.org propaganda.

 

[Helmetcase]

You made the statement, address to me even, that without the gun issue republicans would be in trouble. I mearly refuted that statement. If it be a red herring, then it's you who smells of fish.

It's not a red herring, it's clearly the truth. I haven't met the political commentator yet who disagrees with the idea that the gun control issue is probably the biggest vote loser for the Dems going.

Yet you felt that I should got to Iran of all places.

No, I simply believe that govt and religion aren't the same. And they shouldn't be. They should be kept in separate realms for the good of everyone; govts where religion makes law tend to look rather Talibanistic.

And no one but you seems to think this is happening.

Some google searches I suggest you do: Pat Robertson, Religious Right, Christian Agenda, Intelligent Design, Ralph Reed. Have fun!

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Party affiliation is a decisive factor in politics, anyone who knows how the system really works understands that.

What's there to disagree about? If you have enough progun Dems, sooner or later committee chairs will have to submit to letting bills they don't like go through or else face public opprobrium that will cost them their job whether the committee chairs are Dem or Repub. If enough people want an issue to come to light, it's going to, and bills that have bipartisan support have better chances. None of that is rebuttable.

Better a weak republican who adds to the majority of the pro-gun republican party, then a supposedly strong pro-gun democrat adding to the majority to the anti-RKBA democratic party.

Once bills hit the floor, all that matters is having enough votes. I can't recall any major gun rights lobby ever saying it wouldn't favor a progun Democrat--all that matters is having enough votes in the end. I grasp the vagaries of the legislative process and the importance of party, but if we can electioneer enough progun candidates, it won't matter what party they're in. This is my biggest beef with you, you insist on making this an "us vs. them" issue, when in reality no controversial issue is going to make headway without some bipartisan support. That attitude hurts our cause a lot more than it helps, and it's why the NRA wouldn't support what you're saying. As well they shouldn't.

We've been asked to keep this civil, but I can't help noting what a foolish argument we're having. It's win/win really, if there is a Republican majority, then yes it clearly becomes more difficult for anti-gun laws to pass. But in places like MD there will always be Democrats to contend with, and if fewer of them are anti-gun, we all benefit. Win/win. People can disagree and both be right.

American has been a christian nation for 200 years, and now all of a sudden it's going to become a "theocracy"? You need to stop reading that DU/Moveon.org propaganda.

No, we're a nation that has lots of Christians. That's not the same as a Christian nation. But we also have lots of other faiths. I don't want people to worship anything they don't want to worship, state or otherwise. I simply want people to remember that religion is not government.

 

[Hunter Rose]

>The simple fact is, if you want a pro-RKBA state, you have to work for a republican majority.<

As far as I've seen, this statement is true: the Republicans at the state level (at least in WI) are proRKBA...

>If you want a pro-RKBA America, you have to work to maintain and extend the republican majority.<

And this is the biggest lie ever spoken with regards to gun rights.

The Republicans have controlled the White House and Congress for SIX FRELLING YEARS. In that time, they've done... what?

"The AWB sunset!!!"... sorry, but not good enough. All that required was the Republicans sitting on their hands...

"They passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms act!!!".. big deal. What have they actually done for Joe Gunowner?

Has there been an actual attempt to repeal any of the big problems (NFA, GCA, FOPA)? Heck... has there been ANY attempt AT ALL by Republicans at the national level to do ANYTHING of benefit to individual gun owners?

My dad was fond of asking me, as my wedding approached "Why buy the cow when you're gettin' the milk for free?". That's gun owners and the Republicans: why should the Republicans actually DO anything, since they'll get our vote just because "the other side is worse"?

I'm not "putting out" for Republicans at the national level any more. Thay've proven they won't respect us in the morning...



As for the NRA: I think they need a bit o a shake up, and to realize they're fighting the battle in a loosing fashion...

 

[MicroBalrog]

"It makes you a target for criminals..."

I can see this now...

"Mmm... I'm not going to go after that lady there, she ain't got no expensive gun for me to steal... now, this guy with the NRA T-shirt and the 1911's in shoulder holsters, now he seems like good pickings..."

What, people seriously believe that criminals would do that?

That's gun owners and the Republicans: why should the Republicans actually DO anything, since they'll get our vote just because "the other side is worse"?

Didn't Lee Atwater already say that?

 

[MicroBalrog]

There's a thread regarding pro-RKBA efforts in California right here.

Note the role the NRA is playing.... now where was I?