What's the most rugged handgun in the world?
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I was waiting for that sucker play filled with static shots and such.
Short duration rusting is cosmetic. Nothing that internet wonder did would permanently disable any decent service pistol. Nothing. Videos coming soon. Uh huh.
Drop it from a plane onto concrete and not a plowed field. Run over it with a truck doing 65 in a rutted asphalt highway, not at crawl on the driveway. Shoot it with a .308, not a .22lr RNL. Shoot it on the frame with that .22lr and not just on the slide. . . .
Sheesh comes to mind.
As to the second link, I guess that G17 makes up for this much newer one that didn't do nearly so much.
Short duration rusting is cosmetic. Nothing that internet wonder did would permanently disable any decent service pistol. Nothing. Videos coming soon. Uh huh.
Drop it from a plane onto concrete and not a plowed field. Run over it with a truck doing 65 in a rutted asphalt highway, not at crawl on the driveway. Shoot it with a .308, not a .22lr RNL. Shoot it on the frame with that .22lr and not just on the slide. . . .
Sheesh comes to mind.
As to the second link, I guess that G17 makes up for this much newer one that didn't do nearly so much.
moarkman78
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1911
Im not a military man but i am a gun guy lol and i say any one that likes the m9 overe a 1911, is obviosly just a confused indevidual lol. It does hold more bullets but lets just be ohnest if thies two guns went head to head at 30 yards im betting on that single stage triger and thoes fat .45 rounds.
Im not a military man but i am a gun guy lol and i say any one that likes the m9 overe a 1911, is obviosly just a confused indevidual lol. It does hold more bullets but lets just be ohnest if thies two guns went head to head at 30 yards im betting on that single stage triger and thoes fat .45 rounds.
Amin Parker
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Hi everyone.
I read in a previous post about shooting 1000 rounds in one go. Well i have seen it done, helped and attempted. The only pistol that i have seen fire 1000 rounds consecutively, over a day with more than one shooter and lots of magazines is a cz 75. The serial number of the pistol, name of owner etc are all available.
On the 1911. Some of you might know that i tinker from time to time and have been known to build a pistol or two. I have a beater 1911 that is a constant source of entertainment. I detail strip, shoot, change parts and just go crazy.
This might sound crazy but i have deliberately put in extractors that have only about 1mm of "grabbing" area. Put in ejectors that should have been thrown away. Loose bushings, extremely weak recoil springs you name it but that gun keeps going and going. That gun has taught me a lot about how a pistol works. What a great design.
The most rugged pistols i know of are the cz75, Beretta 92 and 1911. This is through experience not information gathering.
I read in a previous post about shooting 1000 rounds in one go. Well i have seen it done, helped and attempted. The only pistol that i have seen fire 1000 rounds consecutively, over a day with more than one shooter and lots of magazines is a cz 75. The serial number of the pistol, name of owner etc are all available.
On the 1911. Some of you might know that i tinker from time to time and have been known to build a pistol or two. I have a beater 1911 that is a constant source of entertainment. I detail strip, shoot, change parts and just go crazy.
This might sound crazy but i have deliberately put in extractors that have only about 1mm of "grabbing" area. Put in ejectors that should have been thrown away. Loose bushings, extremely weak recoil springs you name it but that gun keeps going and going. That gun has taught me a lot about how a pistol works. What a great design.
The most rugged pistols i know of are the cz75, Beretta 92 and 1911. This is through experience not information gathering.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Sig P226 yet. It is a solid workhorse that has been in service with special operations troops, such as the US Army Special Forces and US Navy SEALs, since at least the 1990s. I trained with the P226 and several other handguns (M9, M1911A1, HK SOCOM .45, etc) we had in our arsenal back in my days with 1st SFG(A) and it was my favorite then and still is today.
I currently carry a 9mm Sig P226R on duty as a LEO, and have carried one version or another of the P226 for the last 15 years. In all that time, I have had zero problems with it and it has eaten all and any ammo I've fed it.
I recently attended an Advanced Pistol Handling course where we shot 1,800 rounds over 3 days. Other students in this class used high-end Kimber 1911's, Glocks of various calibers, and S&W M&P's and each and every one had malfunction or mechanical issues during this class. The guy with the Kimber(s) actually went through two (2) 1911's before borrowing a Glock. My Sig P226R performed flawlessly with zero mechanical issues or malfunctions, unless they were set up as part of the course of instruction.
I currently carry a 9mm Sig P226R on duty as a LEO, and have carried one version or another of the P226 for the last 15 years. In all that time, I have had zero problems with it and it has eaten all and any ammo I've fed it.
I recently attended an Advanced Pistol Handling course where we shot 1,800 rounds over 3 days. Other students in this class used high-end Kimber 1911's, Glocks of various calibers, and S&W M&P's and each and every one had malfunction or mechanical issues during this class. The guy with the Kimber(s) actually went through two (2) 1911's before borrowing a Glock. My Sig P226R performed flawlessly with zero mechanical issues or malfunctions, unless they were set up as part of the course of instruction.
Sure the Glock broke, just like revolvers explode at the cylinders. All guns will have their problems.
So far the Glocks have held up, same goes for other "plastic guns"
The day my Glock's break will be the day I no longer carry plastic guns, I will switch to a revolver/1911/metal guns.
For some reason, I want to carry a 3 ~ 4 inch revolver now lol! esp in 44 magnum after seeing dirty hairy.
I think revolvers are classy. Might carry a 6 shooter some day with a back up "plastic gun"
So far the Glocks have held up, same goes for other "plastic guns"
The day my Glock's break will be the day I no longer carry plastic guns, I will switch to a revolver/1911/metal guns.
For some reason, I want to carry a 3 ~ 4 inch revolver now lol! esp in 44 magnum after seeing dirty hairy.
I think revolvers are classy. Might carry a 6 shooter some day with a back up "plastic gun"
It's hard to which gun, if any, can truly be called the most rugged in the world. There's not really some objective way to measure "ruggedness" and even though I have (and have had) some handguns that I would doubtlessly consider rugged, I don't have any way to tell which of those I've had are more rugged than any of the others I've had, much less comparing to pistols that I've never had.
I would think though, the Makarov would rank pretty highly. It's a very simple, durable, reliable design, with low and easy maintenance, and it's composed of very few individual parts, so there's less to fail.
I would think though, the Makarov would rank pretty highly. It's a very simple, durable, reliable design, with low and easy maintenance, and it's composed of very few individual parts, so there's less to fail.
I think this is coming down to differences in two main areas: 1) the design of a particular gun, and the 2) materials/construction of a gun. You can look at them independently to judge a gun, or you can view them together in a system. I think you have to do both.
This the semi-auto forum so that's what I'll stick to.
I think some designs lend themselves to more ruggedness. The H&K USP is one such design. Its simple and straightforward. Not a lot of parts, no complex linkages. Its a very rugged design.
When we talk strictly materials though we take into consideration polymer, aluminum, MIM, cast steel, and forged steel. Honestly I think steel is more rugged because of its strength. The big thing though with steel is its heavy and it rusts. Polymer and aluminum are light and require zero maintenance. In the end though, I think any polymer or aluminum pistol will have a slight disadvantage in ruggedness versus steel (one that will probably never noticed by any of us, but it still exists).
I think in this case the best summation of these in one gun is the 1911A1. If they made an all steel USP it might be a different story. The design of the 1911 I think is dated, but it works and the big factor is if you get a MIM-free all steel 1911 (stainless too maybe?) I can't think of a better candidate for "most rugged."
This the semi-auto forum so that's what I'll stick to.
I think some designs lend themselves to more ruggedness. The H&K USP is one such design. Its simple and straightforward. Not a lot of parts, no complex linkages. Its a very rugged design.
When we talk strictly materials though we take into consideration polymer, aluminum, MIM, cast steel, and forged steel. Honestly I think steel is more rugged because of its strength. The big thing though with steel is its heavy and it rusts. Polymer and aluminum are light and require zero maintenance. In the end though, I think any polymer or aluminum pistol will have a slight disadvantage in ruggedness versus steel (one that will probably never noticed by any of us, but it still exists).
I think in this case the best summation of these in one gun is the 1911A1. If they made an all steel USP it might be a different story. The design of the 1911 I think is dated, but it works and the big factor is if you get a MIM-free all steel 1911 (stainless too maybe?) I can't think of a better candidate for "most rugged."
Mrgunsngear
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I would imagine the most rugged handgun would be a 38 stainless S&W revolver of some sort. For semi autos, I've read three impressive torture test results: the G17 with over 300,000 rounds, M9 with over 165,000 rounds and (I can't remember which unit) a Marine unit that has a specialized 1911 issued that has had over 200,000 rounds through it. Those are all pretty impressive documented tests in my opinion.
peacefulgary
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Glock.
I don't claim to have tested all the pistols out there but I do have experience with the 1911a1. Quite a bit to be truthful.
I first qualified with one in 1966, didn't have any problems the first time. I carried one in SE Asia. I've crawled on my hands and knees in silt and mud (rice paddy mud is like clay) with a 1911a1 in my hand, sometimes I would give a flip of the wrist to shake off some of the excess mud, some times I wouldn't. It always worked.
I've carried one in the arctic where every thing froze up. Carrying them under your coat in a shoulder holster with the body heat, then as soon as it's exposed to the out side sub-zero temps, it would sweat and freeze AND FIRE. First round broke everything loose.
As to accuracy. I ran the AK NG Marksmanship Unit. Our Combat Teams were required to use "arms room guns" which means those old warn out, rattie 1911a1s. Some people couldn't shoot them, some could, (with training, all could). No matter how bad, a decent shooter could keep them in the 8 ring of a B27 style target at 50 yards.
I got mine in the mid 70's, made in 1942. I don't know how many rounds have been through it before I got it, but I've fired thousands of rounds of military hardball. Since I've retired and have to furnish my own ammo, its been cast RN bullets. It still works.
Granted, you have to concentrate on that little bitty front sight to hit anything. With my old eyes I have to use reading glasses. So I could keep shooting my 1911a1, I got the drug store glasses that allows me to focus on the front sight (instead of reading) and it works.
These old worn out guns will shoot if one only takes the time to learn to shoot them (pretty much the same for any gun).
I first qualified with one in 1966, didn't have any problems the first time. I carried one in SE Asia. I've crawled on my hands and knees in silt and mud (rice paddy mud is like clay) with a 1911a1 in my hand, sometimes I would give a flip of the wrist to shake off some of the excess mud, some times I wouldn't. It always worked.
I've carried one in the arctic where every thing froze up. Carrying them under your coat in a shoulder holster with the body heat, then as soon as it's exposed to the out side sub-zero temps, it would sweat and freeze AND FIRE. First round broke everything loose.
As to accuracy. I ran the AK NG Marksmanship Unit. Our Combat Teams were required to use "arms room guns" which means those old warn out, rattie 1911a1s. Some people couldn't shoot them, some could, (with training, all could). No matter how bad, a decent shooter could keep them in the 8 ring of a B27 style target at 50 yards.
I got mine in the mid 70's, made in 1942. I don't know how many rounds have been through it before I got it, but I've fired thousands of rounds of military hardball. Since I've retired and have to furnish my own ammo, its been cast RN bullets. It still works.
Granted, you have to concentrate on that little bitty front sight to hit anything. With my old eyes I have to use reading glasses. So I could keep shooting my 1911a1, I got the drug store glasses that allows me to focus on the front sight (instead of reading) and it works.
These old worn out guns will shoot if one only takes the time to learn to shoot them (pretty much the same for any gun).
What about a FREEDOM ARMS single action revolver? Everyone I talk to tells me that they are built like "bank vaults." After handling one, I have to agree that they look and feel extremely robust.
How do yall think a single action revolver like the Freedom Arms Model 83 would handle the dirt, mud, water, ice, sand, physical abuse, etc? Aren't they very hard and time-consuming to clean as well?
How do yall think a single action revolver like the Freedom Arms Model 83 would handle the dirt, mud, water, ice, sand, physical abuse, etc? Aren't they very hard and time-consuming to clean as well?