whats a good 9mm anti black bear round?

I sympathize with you situation..

I know what its like to be a bit strapped for cash and need to get to work on foot or otherwise. A mile through the swamp sounds pretty tough. When I lived in Alaska, I would sometimes need to walk in some pretty rural places. A
.357 was all I had.

I have to say, the .44 mag really is the way to go. If the time comes and you really need a weapon agaist a bear, boar, gator or couger, you will wish for that .44 mag.

Not the answer you're looking for, I know.

Best of luck,

Peachy
 
Get some bear spray and bring along the Glock.

Sheesh, it's black bear, not a slobbering Kojo! I spent a fair amount of time in my teens backpacking around armed with nothing more fearsome than a hiking stick and a pocket knife. Didn't get e't by any b'ars, but I did lose my snacks to mice a time or two. :mad:
 
First to answer the actual question; if all I had was a 9mm then I would want a heavy FMJ. Fiocchi 158gr subsonic FMJ is one example

Maybe you should start a new thread asking what round is best for defense against an attacking forum post that complains about your question and answers every question other than the one you originally posted.

It is not hard to answer a simple question guys.
 
Id use the heaviest fmj round I could find if I was carring a 9mm for bear. Start pulling the trigger and don't stop until he does! LOL !
 
Maybe you should start a new thread asking what round is best for defense against an attacking forum post that complains about your question and answers every question other than the one you originally posted.
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Well sir you know where you can go. This thread should be locked its so ludicrous.

I'd imagine you would recommend what 25 acp round would be suited for black bear as well, rather then point out that using such a round is irresponsible and inhumane. Oh well at least hes not emasculated by carrying spray. :rolleyes:


What was the OPs plan if he did shoot the bear and it ran away?
Something really needs to be said as well, is its pretty obvious many who contributed to this board have not hunted bear ( I do not profess to being an expert either).

My question to you is.............what would you do if you DID shoot the bear and it runs away? Would you go back to your car and go home? Would you phone the game warden if you remembered? Would you tell the story at the nearest bar for a free beer?

Because you have created a big safety problem for other people in the area that you shot the bruin. Now theres a bear that can see and smell (which he wouldn't have been able to if you sprayed him) and he is also PO'd and wounded. And people may be hiking that same trail you were on. A hunter would pursue the game and make sure it has a clean and humane death, not to mention so others in the area wont be in danger.

Are you going to pursue the bear with your snubby 44 mag with 2 shots left in the cylinder? Because eny ethical hunter or gun owner will tell you its your RESPONSIBILITY to swiftly and humanely kill whatever animal you shoot, for its sake and your neighboors.

All of a sudden your side iron looks like the pea shooter that it is, might have been nice to have a good rifle. Even spray at least wouldn't have made you as potentially liable, I bring this up because suing is a big thing in the states.

If your not physically able to tote a sensible rifle and don't trust the spray, your safest choice........for you and others......... is to stay home or go to the city park.

Aren't those "self defense" types always preaching to use the right tool for the job?
 
first of all i have to walk over a mile in the mucky swamp in south louisiana for my job sometimes. its horrible ok. beyond description. every ounce i carry hurts.
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Way off topic here. Sir at 62 Y/O with a left knee that is quickly going bad I can appreciate how much it can hurt to have to carry anything extra on a less than smooth and even walkway. Yet if you are truly concerned about having to defend yourself against black bears or cougars stay with the 44 Magnum. IMHO if you shoot a bear or cougar with a 9M/M both you and the animal you shoot may very well face a long a painful death.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
It is not hard to answer a simple question guys.
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No, it is not. And it was answered. Correctly. And the correct answer is "there isn't one." Not only is that a valid answer, it is the valid answer. This is not opinion, it is fact. Firearms in general—including long guns—are at best a 50/50 proposition against an attacking bear. The lighter the cartridge, the worse it gets. And when it comes to bear, 9mm is very, very light indeed.

The premise of the OP's question is that there is a good 9mm load for defense against an attacking black bear. This is an erroneous premise. There is not one. Yes, some will go deeper and move your chances of success from 1 in 500,000 up to 1 in 250,000. So, technically, there are some loads that are better than other loads. None, though, are good. None. Not one. The best you can hope for is to go from 'double extra ineffectual' to just 'extra ineffectual.' So, then, the correct answer is "there isn't one."

When someone asks a question based on an erroneous premise, the correct answer will necessarily fall outside the asker's expected range of answers. This does not make the answer wrong, invalid, or irrelevant. Quite the contrary. It provides that person with better information than they would have gotten if the responders stayed within the OP's parameters.

Imagine if someone asked what brand of gasoline is best for putting out fires? Would you discuss the relative merits of Mobile Super+ Unleaded vs. Chevron's Techron? Or would you say "there isn't one?"
 
Thats really interesting Hickstick. You brought something up that I never thought of before. A wounded bear on the loose in the neighborhood is NOT GOOD.
I think it's been stated before that 357 magnum or a standard 45 colt is really the minimum you should be considering.

Wow, I can't believe I let myself get caught up in a bear thread
 
If you can believe what you read, these animals will avoid you. Bumping into a pig or bear with piglets or cubs seems to be the real danger. Cougars are nocturnal and few in number. Avoid startling by being noisy. I used to carry a police whistle in addition to my cannon when trekking in their world. Forget about the cougar, because you would never see it coming.
 
bear spray is useless if the wind is blowing in your face.

what do bear hunters use ?
I'm guessing no less than a .30-06

I heard of a kid taking a bison with a .243. took 3 shoots to put it down.
Why are bears so more bullet proof than any other animal ?

Bears are still an amazing animal. they eat anything from meat to berries.
 
When I lived in Alaska, I would sometimes need to walk in some pretty rural places. A
.357 was all I had.
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:eek: Man, I'd rather hike through black bear country with a .38 spl than go through AK with a .357.;)

I use a Glock 29 for blackie defense in Michigan. I'd go with that Double Tap load with 147 grains at 1100 fps. When you finally get that 29, you can up that to 200 grains at 1200.;)
 
9 X 23 WIN MAG, I'd druther have a .45 but of all 9's the win mag with as heavy a bullet as I could find. Much like snakes I find if you leave them alone they return the favor
 
Forget about the cougar, because you would never see it coming.
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Probably the most true statement here. Could also apply to the bear in many situations.

Just go FMJ, and carry a can of bear spray. Just make sure your wife knows to make the Bear spray company pay for your funeral in the event that their product fails.

Realistically, the .44 is a much better caliber for 4 legged threats.

And Honestly, I carry a P95 with 15 rnds of 9mm Nato in bear country.
 
Wind and spray

the blur said:
bear spray is useless if the wind is blowing in your face.
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Not so. The cheap stuff may not be able to buck the wind, but the good stuff does not so much spray as stream out and clocks at over 70 mph.

Likewise the stories about bears actually LIKING the stuff are a result of misconception, misinformation, misinterpretation and deliberate misleading. Bears have been known to like the stuff after it has lost its strength, which occurs over a number of days after an application. They have even been known to roll in the site of a spraying. But not when it's fresh.

In 10 years in Alaska and western Canada, there have been NO major injuries or deaths of human users of bear spray. Firearms users in the same period have not been so fortunate.

See the link in Dave85's post.

That does not stop me from carrying both spray and an effective caliber when in bear country and when they are out and hungry or irritable.

I still say there are 9mms out there that are ideal for bear. I already mentioned the 9x57 Mauser (post #3). The 9.3 Brenneke is even better. But neither of those will fit in the original poster's query.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet or around the water cooler or at the bar. Do your own research...and testing.

Lost Sheep
 
in addition to my last post...

When I lived in Alaska, we would wear little bells you can get at a dime store on one foot so we would not suprise the bears.

Peachy
 
Those are mighty big shoes for a 9mm to fill.Do they come in warheads ?
the swamp aint no place to count on a 9mm but if its all you have go hot&heavy.As long as the sow dont have cubs you might be alright:D:D:eek:
 
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