what would you do in a stick up situation?

So where does that leave us?
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With too much time on both of your hands?

Really the end of the argument is that each situation is inherently different, and only the person living through it can make the call. I'm almost certain statistics will have very little sway on what each individual does in a given situation. Sometimes cowards fight, sometimes heroes run, it all depends.

"My statistics say" vs. "My statistics say" arguments are boring, tedious, and generally no fun.

Can't one of you call the other a cheese snorter or something? I mean, really guys. :)
 
My vote is whenever someone asks a question about tactics, try to avoid stats and academic studies unless you are willing to explain what the stats and studies mean in context. I think analysis of those might help develop tactics otherwise known as rules of thumb. I think Kathy Jackson should post her list about things she won't do concerning a BG and let's refine it?

I thought most people come on the forum to sort through this stuff. During my CCW class (which was two full days) we spent about 3/4 of the first day talking with the instructor about laws, crooks (he was an ex-leo) and we saw a film where some inmates who were robbers talked about what they did etc. Seemed to help. I heard no stats or odds during the class that I remember.
 
"The most common reason for violence to erupt at an armed robbery is the victims not complying."
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The most common reason for violence to errupt at an armed robbery is the violent predator's propensity to commit violence for any reason or no reason at all. Law-abiding citizens should be prepared and willing to resist violence - not comply with it.

So where does that leave us?
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That's where I'll leave it.
 
The most common reason for violence to errupt at an armed robbery is the violent predator's propensity to commit violence for any reason or no reason at all. Law-abiding citizens should be prepared and willing to resist violence - not comply with it.
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Good comment.
 
In this situation. . . . .

Throw down your stuff with a commotion, scream, knock the perp away from you and run like hell for cover. If there is a chance he may follow you and not run off, then THAT is when you think about bullets. He expected compliance:eek: and was disappointed. You may be lucky if you stay and comply, but luckier if you run. Give up your wallet before you give up your hide-out gun. The story is changed if you have a wife or sweetie with you. The story is changed again, and ENORMOUSLY if his attack occurs in the store or where ever you are with potential hostages. Remember that one perp can't watch them all, including you -- the only one you know for sure has a weapon. I would not hesitate to take down any perp the same instant that he began lacing people up with duct-tape or other means. There is rape, hostages, and murder in the beginning of that scenario. But, it's all movies until you actually act out the scenario with some friends and their wives. Try it. You'll enjoy it.
 
While it all really depends on the circumstances, the best thing is prevention by making yourself look like someone who is not an easy target. After that knives would be my pick. They only work close in, but that is when someone with a gun is at the greatest disadvantage, and I would rather not take my chances when someone has the drop on me.
 
I am quite sure that I know the difference. I would suggest that if one does not know the difference one should probably find out the difference before commenting, since there is obviously a problem in understanding the issue.
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There could, indeed be a problem understanding the issue. When one is being robbed and assaulted at the same time, but feels they're two different issues, it could be frustrating trying to classify the incident as one or the other.

Apparently, if you, David, were the victim, only Bubba would know that the two are very closely related since he'd be using one to accomplish the other.
 
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My vote is whenever someone asks a question about tactics, try to avoid stats and academic studies unless you are willing to explain what the stats and studies mean in context.
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I can go with this.

This morning I was short-tempered when I came on here, so I resisted replying to some things that probably needed moderator attention. For that, I apologize.

Tonight I'm not short-tempered at all, but I do have to tell you that I'm bloody well sick and tired of threads in this forum getting hijacked by micrometer-waving weenie-measurers brandishing academic credentials and by their counterparts uttering insulting phrases about people who have academic credentials. It's been going on for awhile, and it's destroyed far too many otherwise worthwhile threads. Go play somewhere else if you want to play an academic game of "gotcha!" with nonexistent statistics and unsupplied quotes. We're not playing that game here anymore.

The thread hijack on this thread will cease, immediately. If you are not prepared to directly answer the question posed in the opening post, do not post at all. Don't tell us about studies you refuse to quote, or statistics you refuse to supply in context, while smarmily implying that everyone who doesn't agree with your point is an ignorant fool. Answer the actual question presented in the original post or don't post at all. And if answering that original question about tactics really-and-truly somehow requires you to cite a study or refer to statistics, QUOTE the study (don't just cite it, quote it) and supply the hard numbers you claim support your argument. No more free rides on flash and dazzle. Put up or shut up -- and stay on topic while you do it.

To be clear:

Off topic posts from this point forward will be deleted as soon as I spot them. In some cases, that deletion will be accompanied by a ban. I'm not kidding about this. The statistic-centered weenie-measuring contest has gotten old and it's tiresome and it's going to stop now.

pax
 
Of course I give up my money and jewels.

Those are things that can be replaced.

Far too many people confuse blatant stupidity with heroic action, to their final detriment.
 
If I got that "Vibe" dudes gonna kill me. I'd hand him the stuff in away to force him to move attention.
I Then would probably slap the gun, hold the gun arm like @$#4 hell and pull shooting downward through his armpit.

Now, If I was unarmed and snapping his neck doesn't work, I'd grab the gun hand, drag him to the ground and smash his head till the cops came. But, I do know how to kill more than fight. Damn violent Sen-say.

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The only way to win is to be more violent then they could ever be. They aren't ready for semi-evil violence levels.
 
Mike Irwin said:
Of course I give up my money and jewels.
Those are things that can be replaced.
Far too many people confuse blatant stupidity with heroic action, to their final detriment.
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Mike, I couldn't agree more. My wallet is not worth my life or anybody elses IMO.

The problem is, and the reason I think for most of these threads is: what if the robber wants more than your money? How can you tell and what should you do?

I still am voting (now public) for a list of rules of thumb Kathy once posted here. Maybe make it a sticky or something and add to it? Maybe not. I think the vast majority of us (me included) have not been robbed or otherwise violently assaulted before and so the questions persist.
 
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I've got a bunch of habits I've acquired over the years to try to avoid this situation. I'm right handed. My wallet, my keys, etc. all reside in left hand pockets and are handled by my left hand. My firearms are holstered for access by my right hand and I endeavor to keep that hand free for weapons. I stop at my vehicle and do a complete 360 degree sweep before opening my door. With my left hand. If I'm not completely assured of the situation, my right hand will be on my pistol's grip. Call me paranoid. I've been the victim of assault.

However, if someone gets the drop on me to that point, I will comply while hoping for an opportunity to turn the tables.
 
so lets say you just went shopping, its dark out, and some one runs up from behind on you(putting items in car). lets also say you have a bit of cash, some jewelery on and what not. they have a gun, you have a gun, only problem for you is, his is drawn. his guns pressed to your back and he's telling you if you even hick up, he's dropping you. do you give it up? or do you go for your fairearm? i know there might be some certain circumstances and variables that could change things, but for the most part he caught you with your pants down and if he's serious you risk dying being resistent.. what would you do?
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I'd keep aware enough not to get in that situation. If for some reason I was idiot enough to let someone come up to me at night and do that it would depend on just how close, were the gun was pressed, and other variables. I'm well skilled at H2H techniques not to mention firearms. But... again the course of action would depend on alot of things.
 
1. Look over the situation ant the odds. Think things through just a bit if possible.
2. Wait, look and watch. Hope that the bad guy gets distracted. If the bad guy gets distracted, draw my gun and shoot him Mozambique style.
3. Scan around for another bad guy and be ready just in case there is another bad guy. My rule of engagement is that, "There is always one more bad guy to confront."
4. Scan outside of the business because often the bad guy has a car nearby. Sometimes there is a driver in the car waiting for the 1st bad guy.
5. Wait for the police to respond.
 
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